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sumi - Nov 10, 2005 11:48:32 am PST #8606 of 10002
Art Crawl!!!

Stuart after the family name. (Henry Vii - Elizabeth i are the Tudors.)

Sometimes the period is conflated: Tudor-Stuart.


Kathy A - Nov 10, 2005 12:00:20 pm PST #8607 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Last of the Stuarts was James II, deposed in favor of William of Orange, called in 'cause he was Protestant (James II followed his great-whatever Mary in being a Catholic). Then, a few decades later, they had to call in another foreigner (George I, a Hanoverian) due to Queen Anne being childless.


Nutty - Nov 10, 2005 12:04:29 pm PST #8608 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

The King James period is called "Stuart"? I've never heard of the term. (This is when the Great Plague and the Great Fire of London both broke out--King James was an unlucky bastard.)

Wait, no, you're conflating more than one guy. The first Stuart king, James, was king during Shakespeare's lifetime; there was a king who got beheaded during the whole Oliver Cromwell thing (Charles I); and then there was the King Charles II of the Restoration, who was all Restoration-y because he got restored to the throne after the indiginity of the whole relative-beheading issue. And then Charles II's brother James II inherited from him.

It was during the Restoration (1666, in fact) that (a) Black Death; (b) Gret Fire of London; and (c) Newton's Annus Mirabilis. Busy year.


Vonnie K - Nov 10, 2005 12:23:12 pm PST #8609 of 10002
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

It was in that period links page! It's wrong. (What, erroenous info on the internet? Who'd have thought?)

OK, so James was between Queen Elizabeth and Cromwell, then came Charles II of the Restoration with the Plague and the Great Fire. OK, this makes more sense because I've read Rose Tremain's "Restoration" (later adapted to a movie with Sam Neill playing Charles II, Polly Walker, a.k.a. Atia of Julii, as his mistress, plus Robert Downy Jr. and David Thewlis--hey, I'm even on topic!) and it had both the Fire and the Plague in it.


Gris - Nov 10, 2005 12:53:20 pm PST #8610 of 10002
Hey. New board.

I discovered a Willow/Legolas vid to My Immortal.

I... need to see this. It sounds like the funniest thing on earth.


Nutty - Nov 10, 2005 12:57:38 pm PST #8611 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Henry VIII -- Anne of the Thousand Days, that movie with Paul Scofield as St. Thomas More.
His son, whose name I forgot, who was a sickly child king and is basically a footnote. Probably an Edward. Protestant.
Mary Tudor -- Henry's first daughter. Catholic. Died childless after burning a bunch of Proddys at the stake.
Elizabeth I (Tudor) -- Henry's other daughter, Protestant. Orange hair, Shakespeare in Love. Died with no close kin.
James I (Stuart) -- later Shakespeare. Big floppy brown wig. King of Scotland before he took over England as well; thanks to him, the Union Jack is both St. Andrew's and St. George's crosses superimposed on each other. Can't think of any movies he was in.
Charles I (Stuart) -- actually, nothing happened that I know of in his life except religious unrest. (He was Protestant, but also apparently kind of a turd.) He lost his head, suddenly, to:
Oliver Cromwell (no king-family at all) -- Decidedly Protestant, bad fashion sense, like Stalin without the Siberia to send people to. Who wants to make a movie about him?? I think he had a son named Oliver, who ruled for a short while, but let's skip over him.
Charles II (Stuart) -- Restoration. Protestant. City burns, people get plague, other people write massive treatises of science, literature, law.
James II (Stuart) -- post-Restoration. Catholic. There was brow-beating and eventually, fleeing. His daughter Mary somehow remained a Protestant, and so:
William and Mary (Orangemen! No, not the guys from Syracuse) -- this is the Glorious Revolution everyone is always talking about. Strangely, it is so glorious (read: boring) that nobody makes movies about it. They had daughters, one of whom married into Germany, and both of whom died. Forthwith:
A line of kings named George, the first of whom came from Germany.

There are all sorts of details about princes and rebellions and Roundheads and stuff I've left out of the above, because it is foggy in my brain or I don't understand it. Of all the movies I've cited, I probably liked Anne of the Thousand Days best.


Katie M - Nov 10, 2005 1:05:05 pm PST #8612 of 10002
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

His son, whose name I forgot, who was a sickly child king and is basically a footnote. Probably an Edward.

Yeah, he was an Edward--Edward VI, I think. Hey, he's in Lady Jane, if you need another English royalty movie...


Vonnie K - Nov 10, 2005 1:49:31 pm PST #8613 of 10002
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Ahhh, the sickly Edward. He's meant to be the prince in "Prince and Pauper" I believe. I think the writer of that tale conveniently brushed over the fact that he died shortly thereafter and his sisters were always squabbling about and there were all kinds of beheadings going on, etc. I know there was a rather handsome adaptation of the story in the 30's with Errol Flynn in it, followed by several lesser remakes.

And yes, "Lady Jane", with very young pre-"A Room with a View" Helena Bonham-Carter and Cary Elwes, the bloke from "The Princess Bride". Helena had some fierce eyebrows in that movie. Edward was featured briefly in the film, as was Elizabeth. Jane falls between Mary and Elizabeth, I think?

Lots of films about Henry VIII and Elizabeth. I am rather partial to "Young Bess", which highlights all kinds of semi-skeevy UST between Elizabeth and Thomas Seymour.

There was a movie about Cromwell in the 70's, with Alec Guiness playing Charles and Richard Harris playing Cromwell. Despite the pedigree, it wasn't that great, IIRC.

Among the Georges, there was the mad one with acute intermittent porphyria, played by Nigel Hawthorne. George III, I think. If only he had Dr. Gregory House! (It's the same condition Stacy's husband had in the season 1 finale of House.)

I love "Anne of Thousand Days", but I also have a soft spot for Cate Blanchett's Virgin Queen in "Elizabeth" despite it being rather bombastic. And I adore "Madness of King George".


Katie M - Nov 10, 2005 1:57:14 pm PST #8614 of 10002
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Jane falls between Mary and Elizabeth, I think?

Between Edward and Mary, actually--the attempt to install Jane as Queen was an attempt to keep a Protestant on the throne, in place of the Catholic Mary. Mary cut her head off, if I remember correctly. I mean, not personally.


Kathy A - Nov 10, 2005 2:04:00 pm PST #8615 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

BBC's "The Six Wives of Henry VIII" was the best depiction of Henry that I can think of. "Elizabeth R" was less memorable, but still very well-acted. (As a side note, one of my favorite goofy songs is the Kingston Trio's "With Her Head Tucked Underneath Her Arm," about one of the wives haunting "the Bloody Tower.")