An article that's very slightly spoilery for Serenity, but it's barely mentioned, so I thought I'd put it in here instead. Excuse me while I go do my make-up.
Angel: You know, I killed my actual dad. It was one of the first things I did when I became a vampire. Wesley: I hardly see how that's the same situation. Angel: Yeah. I didn't really think that one through.
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Buffista Movies 4: Straight to Video
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Jars - Sep 21, 2005 1:39:42 pm PDT #7467 of 10002
§ ita § - Sep 21, 2005 1:48:00 pm PDT #7468 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'd like to discuss two excerpts from that article:
Even Jennifer Lopez, popular in romantic comedy roles, achieved two of her biggest disasters with films in which she impersonated brutal killers: an avenging, battered wife, who masters martial arts in Enough, and a ruthless, amoral hit woman in the reviled Gigli.
Pause for a moment and consider one of her most critically acclaimed roles -- Jennifer Sisco in Out Of Sight. No, she wasn't a brutal killer (wasn't really one in Enough either), but she was badassed and hardassed and physical.
Even more improbably, the embarrassing Stealth features 22-year-old Jessica Biel (best known as the sweet, girl-next-door star of TV's 7th Heaven) as a crack Navy aviator shot down over North Korea, single-handedly battling Kim Jong Il's entire army to a standstill.
Didn't see the movie, don't know what she fought her way out of. However, if it's a crap action movie, putting a guy in that role wouldn't make it significantly closer to reality -- it's a matter of what we're willing to suspend our disbelief for, not what we can actually believe.
Not to mention that whole thing where she shot out the camera lens during Blade: Trinity. It's not like she's inherently useless.
Kathy A - Sep 21, 2005 1:50:30 pm PDT #7469 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil
Oh, jeez. Medved is blathering on even more than usual (I used to actually like his reviews when he cohosted the PBS movie-review show with Jeffrey Lyon, but not anymore).
Yes, all of Hollywood's ills are due to tough female characters, not something as paltry as good writing!! Right wing chauvinist pig...
Jars - Sep 21, 2005 1:51:45 pm PDT #7470 of 10002
Ah. I take it he's known for this kind of thing, then?
Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 21, 2005 2:14:31 pm PDT #7471 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I'm pretty sure the Ned Flanders character on The Simpsons is based on him, with some added humanizing touches.
JZ - Sep 21, 2005 2:51:00 pm PDT #7472 of 10002
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
This sentence, about Mr. and Mrs. Smith, made my brain hurt:
With her luminous eyes and luscious lips, Jolie is always riveting to watch, but her buxom, waiflike form and skinny arms make it wildly improbable that she could hold her own against the brazenly buff Mr. Pitt.
(a) I had no idea that it was physically possible for the same human form to be both buxom and waiflike; and (b) skinny arms, wha-huh? Jolie has always struck me as rather brazenly buff herself; Michael Medved is the first person I've ever heard, ever, EVAR, expressing any degree of disbelief that she could not only take Brad Pitt down if she really wanted to, but reduce him to a featureless pulpy mass with one hand tied behind her back without breaking a sweat.
§ ita § - Sep 21, 2005 2:58:21 pm PDT #7473 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Michael Medved is the first person I've ever heard, ever, EVAR, expressing any degree of disbelief that she could not only take Brad Pitt down if she really wanted to, but reduce him to a featureless pulpy mass with one hand tied behind her back without breaking a sweat.
You didn't ask me. She was not buff in the movie. She was scrawny as hell. Not buff. I disagree with most of his points, but the weakest part (well, the whole no-plot thing was an issue too) of a movie I really enjoyed was how one of the equal physical protagonists looked like a lollipop with breasts. And Mrs. Smith wasn't as crazy as Jolie can seem, which is what I'd chalk up as Angelina's main equaliser.
JZ - Sep 21, 2005 3:08:09 pm PDT #7474 of 10002
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
Ehn. In the first picture, she still looks, to my eyes anyway, at any rate physically tougher than Reese or Julia Roberts or whoever else Medved mentioned approvingly in that article. If she actually looked in the film the way she did in the second picture, that'd be bad, but it looks so creepily perfect and airbrushed it's hard to tell. I totally defer to your far more informed who's-actually-buff judgment, though.
Doesn't make me like the article, or Medved's general Flandersness, any better, though.
§ ita § - Sep 21, 2005 4:09:19 pm PDT #7475 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
He doesn't have to be wrong about every opinion to be an idiot.
As for Mrs. Smith, I was most struck in the chair balancing scene of how little muscle mass she was toting. I'm pissed to drop to 135 - I'd have to be at least ten (at least) pounds lighter again to have arms like her. And they call me skinny at the centre at 145.
Fighting up in weight classes is hard.
DebetEsse - Sep 21, 2005 4:15:14 pm PDT #7476 of 10002
Woe to the fucking wicked.
She's definately not as physically impressive/potentially intimidating as she is in the image I have of her in my head.