( continues...) the "analytical mind" and the "reactive mind". Hubbard described the analytical mind as the positive, rational, computing portion, while the "reactive mind" operates on a stimulus-response basis based on pain.

Let's put Syndrome on screen as an example of "reactive mind."

Scientologists believe that the reactive mind has a malignant effect, causing irrational behaviour and creating individual weaknesses as well as undermining efforts to create lasting, prosperous and sane societies.

Yep.

Past painful incidents are seen as acting as templates for future actions and events, which are often acted out with destructive results.

Yep.

Now, obviously Scientology is lifting most of this from mundane psychology, so that everybody can see how getting rejected by an idol would, um, make you become a supervillain. But the movie can still map to Scientology, in minor ways, including the idea that some people are more valuable than others.

THAT, of course, maps more to Objectivism, but as I said it my original post, I think the philosophy of the movie is mainly Objectivism, with maybe just a bit of Scientology thrown in.

Finally, here's what I really didn't like: the message was that Super people should be able to do whatever they want. And who doesn't think they are super? Do you see yourself as the protagonist or an extra? Do you see yourself as special? Then go ahead, do whatever you want! After all, only you are qualified to decide what's right to do! Helen advises Violet to fight to win, and win everything, but that's not the liberal Democrat stance. Liberals believe that you should accept less than you might otherwise get so that others, who otherwise wouldn't get anything, will get some. Liberals pay taxes and support social programs, they don't believe in destroying the environment to get everything out of it now, and they believe in due process and a legal system that's open to everybody.

The Incredibles did not support that message at all.

I'll most likely kill this post in the morning, but I want to end with one final quote, about the dangers of using an online translator for Chinese-English:

How wonderful it is! Today, I had seen the film - "The Incredibles" this afternoon, My father also had seen this film in this evening. This cartoon movie is powered by Disney-Pixar. In this film, I love the people's sensation, scene, bugbears. The scene is so sublime. With the great imagination.

the message was that Super people should be able to do whatever they want.

This is where my disconnect happens. I didn't get that as the message at all. I took it to be Supers should be able to use their powers, just as anyone else should be able to perform to their ability at whatever it is they choose to do, be it physically or mentally based. Syndrome could have gone in a number of directions with his genius. He chose to go evil. The Supers were quashed in what they were able to do because of their inherent powers, which, in thinking about it at length, screams to me as discrimination. Just as Syndrome should have been able to do what he was able with his genius for invention, Supers should be able to use their powers as well. For good. They use them for evil, they should be punished like anyone else.

I'm not saying I thought it was a junk movie at all, just that it will be hard to rewatch.

Gotcha. Matt Rossi discussed some of your point in an article on Superman in the High Hat: [link]

I'm too stupid and distracted by work to really talk through things right now, though.

I'm too stupid

::boggles at the thought of Corwood applying these words to himself::

Finally, here's what I really didn't like: the message was that Super people should be able to do whatever they want. And who doesn't think they are super? Do you see yourself as the protagonist or an extra? Do you see yourself as special? Then go ahead, do whatever you want! After all, only you are qualified to decide what's right to do! Helen advises Violet to fight to win, and win everything, but that's not the liberal Democrat stance.

I started to respond point-by-point but honestly, the connection between "super people can do what they want" representing a rightward propaganda against "liberals believe you should accept less so that others may have more" is far too tenuous to be credited. Because from that pretty much every narrative of "individual vs. group" becomes rightward propaganda if the individual asserts his rights against the greater good and succeeds.

I thought it was made quite clear that Syndrome was excluded from the Super Club because he wasn't born with powers.

I've only seen the movie once, but I thought Pre-Syndrome was excluded from being Mr. Incredible's partner simply because Mr. I "worked alone" and possibly found the annoying boy, well, annoying.

Going after Syndrome later on I thought was because he was evil in his actions, not because he had created his powers.

Thanks, Sean, but any suggestion of intelligence on my part is all smoke & mirrors.

Whoa...your smoke and mirrors kick ass, then. Is it that good Colombian stuff, or what?

Raq, what makes The Incredibles more Scientological than your average superhero outing?

Oooh, just saw the trailer for Good Night, and Good Luck as well as a bunch of other fall films over at comingsoon.net. That looks like a definite must-see film, as well as The History of Violence and possibly Jarhead.