I mean, even Shakespeare's fairly pulpy in the context of his time.

Absolutely. One of the many things I love about Shakespeare. Or the equally pulpy and melodramatic Dickens. It is no impediment to great art! We like it juicy.

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I actually haven't seen it (or Before Sunrise, either, actually).

Watch 'em in order. I loved the hell out of Before Sunrise when it came out (I was their age then, too), but found them sort of annoying on rewatch. And Before Sunset was so incredible in that context, as if we all grew up and things are messier now, but the little beautiful moments are that much more precious. Yowza.

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You oughta be careful promising stuff to blondes, Corwood. If Uncle Raymond taught us anything, that mostly doesn't end well. But, by that logic, I should hate myself all the...never mind. "You're very cute, you know."

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Sometimes all we can do is follow things through until we end up gutshot, y'know.

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Calli -- I saw the second half of Tape a while back while channel-surfing, and that's about when it starts getting fucked-up. It's just about impossible to talk about without giving things away, though. Stuff does happen.

Just to confuse P-C further...

Corwood--

the final massacre at Agua Verde, where Pike finally does the right thing for the right reason and dies for his convictions.

See, this I totally disagree with. It does seem to be a popular interpretation, but I don't get it. I mean, ra-ra loyalty and all that, but they don't decide to slaughter the entire town out of loyalty to Angel. It's just what they do, because they're a bunch of bastards. I don't see it so much as Pike being noble and doing The Right Thing. It is important for him, personally, because he's always abandoning people, but it's just as much ennui. They've got nowhere to go and nothing to do. Time's up. If they hadn't killed Angel, I don't think it would have changed a thing.

(Oh, and P-C, I haven't seen any of the Godfather movies, either. I have some affection for Coppola, and I believe they're good, but I think I'd be bored by them. Not my kind of story. It happens.)

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True enough...my aim's terrible, I think you're safe, Corwood. (Cancels Strega's Wire-conversion pitch.) Because if the Godfather looks boring, the Wire would be like paint drying for you.

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LiT is a movie that hit me so hard I can hardly bear to hear people say anything bad about it.

This is me. My stepmom hates LiT with the burning fiery passion of a thousand white-hot suns, but every time she starts to say bad stuff about it, it feels like she's saying how much she virulently loathes me as a person.

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I saw the second half of Tape a while back while channel-surfing, and that's about when it starts getting fucked-up. It's just about impossible to talk about without giving things away, though. Stuff does happen.

Righty-o. I've got the DVD through Monday, so maybe I'll give it another shot. Thanks!

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LiT is a movie that hit me so hard I can hardly bear to hear people say anything bad about it.

Me four, totally. It is perfect. I liked Before Sunrise/Sunset quite a bit too, although I did find myself finding the second a bit too talky by the end (crazy, I know). I think I need to re-watch.

Garden State, I enjoyed quite a bit, and could see it again anytime. Eternal Sunshine was an excellent movie, but personally quite disturbing (issues), and I won't be in a hurry to see it again soon.

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they don't decide to slaughter the entire town out of loyalty to Angel. It's just what they do, because they're a bunch of bastards.

I like this interpretation better. Heh.

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