Inara: Mal, this isn't the ancient sea. You don't have to go down with your ship. Mal: She ain't going down. She ain't going anywhere.

'Out Of Gas'


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Kate P. - Jun 29, 2005 10:52:36 am PDT #4928 of 10002
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I generally use the term "emotional manipulation" to refer to a moment in a movie/book/whatever where I feel tricked into feeling a certain way.

Stories--books, movies, comics, anything--should make you feel. I'm totally on board with that, and will happily watch movies at which I cry like a wee babe, IF I feel that the emotion is earned. It's when I don't feel that the emotion is earned that I call it manipulation. It's when I don't give a damn about the characters, but suddenly the strings swell in the background and Character X's hand falls limply to the ground as tears run down Character Y's face and then I start crying too, that I get mad; it's when neither the script, nor the acting, nor the story has earned those tears that I call it "emotional manipulation". If the emotion has been earned, then--to me--it's an emotional connection, NOT manipulation.

edit: hugely x-posty, of course.


Strega - Jun 29, 2005 11:28:49 am PDT #4929 of 10002

Having an emotional response is (generally - Brecht aside) desirable

Oh, absolutely. I don't mean to suggest that if the audience feels any emotional response, it's a bad thing. I do see how my post read that way; I was focusing on the "unnecessary" part. When someone thinks the story isn't going to get the audience involved on its own merits, and so they throw in a child-in-peril or a dying pet or whatever.

And the Zombie Dogs battle the Atomic Dogs. Obviously.


§ ita § - Jun 29, 2005 11:30:29 am PDT #4930 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The Atomic Dogs win, right?


Kathy A - Jun 29, 2005 11:48:45 am PDT #4931 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

The Space Dogs beat them both! Goooo, Laika!


Polter-Cow - Jun 29, 2005 11:51:04 am PDT #4932 of 10002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Don't discount the Snow Dogs, now.


Kathy A - Jun 29, 2005 11:52:27 am PDT #4933 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Laika would take Balto out in a second. If she were alive, and not floating in outer space.


Polter-Cow - Jun 29, 2005 12:09:53 pm PDT #4934 of 10002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

But the Snow Dogs have Cuba Gooding, Jr. on their side, Kathy. HE HAS AN OSCAR!!!


Kathy A - Jun 29, 2005 12:17:41 pm PDT #4935 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

He was also in Boat Trip. He lacks judgment and leadership abilities, and is possibly mentally deficient if he thought that that film would enhance his career.

Laika had Soviet space engineers on her side, as well as zero gravity. She wins!!


JZ - Jun 29, 2005 12:59:09 pm PDT #4936 of 10002
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Laika would take Balto out in a second.

She would indeed.

If she were alive, and not floating in outer space.

Dammit, Kathy, now I'm sitting here thinking about her sad-faced little doggie corpse floating out there overhead somewhere. I feel all emotionally manipulated and resentful!


Strega - Jun 29, 2005 2:23:37 pm PDT #4937 of 10002

The Plague Dogs called in sick, and will be replaced by the Dogs of War.