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'Serenity'


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tommyrot - Jun 28, 2005 10:51:04 am PDT #4825 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Is this why the Southern Baptists called off their boycott of Disney?


askye - Jun 28, 2005 10:51:43 am PDT #4826 of 10002
Thrive to spite them

That's not the Narnia I know.


Mr. Broom - Jun 28, 2005 11:32:19 am PDT #4827 of 10002
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

But everyone does know that the Narnia books, in particular LionWitchWardrobe, are Christian allegories, right? I'm not trying to be condescending; I've been talking to people lately who didn't know that, which is, of course, the way a good allegory should work--still a good story even if you don't see the parallels (see Gulliver's Travels).


P.M. Marc - Jun 28, 2005 11:40:07 am PDT #4828 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

But everyone does know that the Narnia books, in particular LionWitchWardrobe, are Christian allegories, right?

I don't think my parents did, or they'd never have bought the books for me.

They probably know that *now*, but I'd have to check. They live a life pretty isolated from organized religion.


Gris - Jun 28, 2005 4:12:56 pm PDT #4829 of 10002
Hey. New board.

Oh yes, definitely Christian allegories. Lion Witch is definitely where it's most clear, rather like The Wonderful Wizard of Oz is the Oz book with the most clear political symbolism: after that, the authors realized that they could get money/popularity from continuing their super-popular series.

Of course, the fact that a straight up allegory for Christian canon becomes a fantasy novel, a genre most known for its unrealisticness, makes me giggle.

The movie can be a direct, perfect translation, and still be perfect material for a Christian grassroots campaign. Thus, this doesn't worry me.

ETA: Mere Christianity is an interesting read, too. And I've done two discussion groups about it that were great, too. One of those discussions, I was still trying to believe in God, the second I time I had given up; both provided fun discussion matter. C. S. Lewis was a smart man.


askye - Jun 28, 2005 4:25:56 pm PDT #4830 of 10002
Thrive to spite them

I loved the Narnia books. But I had weird reading habits as a kid and would get distrustful of new books so I'd stick with my old favorites. I read Lion, Witch, Wardrobe over and over and some of Prince Caspian, but not much of the others.

I remember when I first made the connection between the series and Christianity. I thought it was kind of a cool concidence, I had no clue about allegory.


Gandalfe - Jun 28, 2005 5:05:42 pm PDT #4831 of 10002
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

Mere Christianity is an interesting read, too.

Have you read the Screwtape Letters? Very amusing, almost, dare I say it, Pratchettian in tone.


askye - Jun 28, 2005 5:11:09 pm PDT #4832 of 10002
Thrive to spite them

I need to. I'm sure I can get them from Grandma E.


tommyrot - Jun 28, 2005 6:13:40 pm PDT #4833 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

NYT review of War of the World.

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The rating warning made me laugh out loud:

"War of the Worlds" is rated PG-13. Much of the earth's population is wiped out, leaving very little time for sex or bad language.


Volans - Jun 28, 2005 8:38:36 pm PDT #4834 of 10002
move out and draw fire

The thing is, British Christians (who are predominantly Anglican, nsm Baptist) are much more aligned with Lewis' views on Christianity than are American fundamentalists. I've had no end of discussions about the failings of Lewis' vision - it seems that the fact that he works in allegory and fantasy is a problem, as is his "messing with the exact word of God" that is the Bible. There was no holy lion in the Bible - the only lions were demonstrably anti-Christian. So Lewis is just another egghead who is making stuff up and will burn in hell. Also, he says that women who wear makeup are morally bankrupt, and that doesn't play well here either.

I even had one woman tell me she wished her Christian bookstore would stop carrying his books, as they were so awful. I don't think she understood The Screwtape Letters, even if she read it.

So I guess my point is, the movie could be true to the source AND appeal to the Christians in England. The quote was from the London Telegraph, so I'm assuming a Brit, but I think we're still OK.

Of course, if they make "The Horse and His Boy" it should play well in America, what with the anti-Persian (or Arab) bias.