Cass? She's a woobie, and then some. Batman doesn't have the same footholds.
Exactly. Batman's not a woobie, he just trains them.
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P.M. Marc - Jun 27, 2005 10:40:03 am PDT #4739 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
askye - Jun 27, 2005 10:42:34 am PDT #4740 of 10002
Thrive to spite them
I'm still not clear on what a woobie is.
Polter-Cow - Jun 27, 2005 10:44:47 am PDT #4741 of 10002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
A woobie is someone you want to hug and squeeze and call him George.
askye - Jun 27, 2005 10:46:56 am PDT #4742 of 10002
Thrive to spite them
Bats is defintly not a woobie.
Actually, I can't really think of a character I feel that way about.
Nutty - Jun 27, 2005 10:47:01 am PDT #4743 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
I'm talking about the character, as depicted in the comics in the past ten years. If you don't like him, why should you like the movie?
Because I entered the theatre (1) basically ignorant of the past ten years of comics and (2) with no expectation that the movie would be totally faithful to comics I haven't read.
If I walk into a movie theatre, I expect to have a reason to want to participate (emotionally, vicariously) with the events on the screen. This movie, I didn't. Ultimately, what seems to be the problem is a total and inexplicable failure of my usually-excellent radar to detect "you won't like this at all" vibes from the movie theatre before I got there. (Said radar being why I see so few movies in the theatre.)
Polter-Cow - Jun 27, 2005 10:48:21 am PDT #4744 of 10002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Actually, I can't really think of a character I feel that way about.
It's usually applied to very damaged characters with oodles of emotional trauma (e.g., Spike, Sawyer, Smallville Lex).
Jesse - Jun 27, 2005 10:48:56 am PDT #4745 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
I've never read a comic book and did not find this Batman substantially different from what I was expecting, in any respect. And I liked it a lot.
Just as a data point.
§ ita § - Jun 27, 2005 10:49:05 am PDT #4746 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Jordan Catalano is a woobie! Season one Ryan Atwood, also a woobie. It helps when they have a violent streak, or maybe those are my issues.
Atropa - Jun 27, 2005 10:49:21 am PDT #4747 of 10002
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.
Bats is defintly not a woobie.
Actually, I can't really think of a character I feel that way about.
I just realized that my One True Woobie from comics is Morpheus from The Sandman. I can't tell if this confirms me as crazy, or a cliché. Or possibly both.
P.M. Marc - Jun 27, 2005 10:49:35 am PDT #4748 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
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