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Buffista Movies 4: Straight to Video  

A place to talk about movies--old and new, good and bad, high art and high cheese. It's the place to place your kittens on the award winners, gossip about upcoming fims and discuss DVD releases and extras. Spoiler policy: White font all plot-related discussion until a movie's been in wide release two weeks, and keep the major HSQ in white font until two weeks after the video/DVD release.


Cashmere - May 08, 2005 5:21:42 am PDT #2567 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

Zenkitty, here's the history summary I have for the Kindgom of Heaven: Baldwin ascended to the throne at 13 (even though his illness was known). He was an excellent leader, dealing Saladin his worst military defeat at the battle of Montgisard. Sybilla married a decent man, William Longsword, Marquis of Montferrat (an admirable choice) and bore him a son, also named Baldwin (or Baudouinet or "Little Baldwin"). William died tragically of a fever that same year. Guy de Lusignan was French, strikingly handsome and adept with the ladies. He consoled Sybilla and married her--over the objections of all the magnates of the kingdom. Baldwin, realizing Guy's incompetance as a leader was determined that Guy not become king. Since Baldwin's health was fading fast, he named Baudouinet his successor. Baldwin died in 1185 (two years before the Battle of the Horns of Hattin). The child king, Baldwin V was placed under the regency of Count Raymond of Tripoli. Guy, angered over the slight, rebelled against the regency. Sadly, the child died in 1186 and Guy then seized the throne for himself. So technically, Sybilla should have felt guilty--her choice of a husband made disasterous decisions leading to the defeat at Hattin. I'm going to have to take freakin' notes at the film to do some comparison to history.


Scrappy - May 08, 2005 5:39:24 am PDT #2568 of 10002
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I think what she felt guilty about in the film was that when Baldwin died she chose Guy as her king, instead of having him be regent. That gave hom the power over the army and the chance to wage war.


Gandalfe - May 08, 2005 6:30:51 am PDT #2569 of 10002
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

Do we know who is doing the voice of Aslan?


Sean K - May 08, 2005 7:45:40 am PDT #2570 of 10002
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I really wish they had kept the same director as Prisoner,

My understanding is that Andrew Cuaron was so exhausted from making a big budget studio SFX picture that he didn't want to do it again, at least not right away.

As far as the competence of the new director goes, Mike Newell is an accomplished director with a penchant for fantasy and children's tales, as well as a good feel for more adult stories. I'd say there's a better than even chance of the movie being good.


Zenkitty - May 08, 2005 8:53:16 am PDT #2571 of 10002
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Cashmere, thanks for the history lesson! I'm always fascinated by history. It seems that (you may want to wait until you've seen the movie yourself to read the whitefont) for the movie they compressed two kings into one, ditched the kid, and took some poetic license. Sybilla's guilt in real life makes sense, because she chose her husband unwisely, but in the movie, it makes less sense, I think. You'll have to tell me if you think she really had any choices, the way the movie was written; I don't think she did.

Robin, I also think she was supposedly feeling guilty over crowning Guy, but I don't see what choice she had, since Bailion refused her. I'm possibly wrong, but I think a regent is only named if the person taking the throne is non-competent (meaning a child). In the movie, no child, so Guy became was king. It's possible that Sybilla could have ruled herself as Queen and made Guy a Prince, like Elizabeth and Albert, but she didn't, so there must have been some reason she didn't. She surely could have done a better job! Also, she says to Guy, "If I have your army, you have your wife," which made me think she was planning some sort of military action (which would've been cool), but she did nothing with the army, so I don't even know what that line was supposed to mean.

I wish they'd given us the real history - it would have made both Guy's treachery and Sybilla's guilt more obvious. Then Bailion could have been Tripoli. (Is that his correct name?? I couldn't understand what they were saying half the time.)

Anyway. It was a good movie, and I enjoyed it, despite my teeth-gnashing over "morality". (And over how a peasant(-raised) blacksmith could have developed such skill at combat and battle strategy so quickly, before he ever went into a battle. But never mind.)


Alibelle - May 08, 2005 8:58:34 am PDT #2572 of 10002
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan

The simple fact that it will not be Christopher Columbus directing it gives me hope.


Cashmere - May 08, 2005 9:04:21 am PDT #2573 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

Zenkitty, in regards to your whitefont to Robin:I'm possibly wrong, but I think a regent is only named if the person taking the throne is non-competent (meaning a child). In the movie, no child, so Guy became was king. It's possible that Sybilla could have ruled herself as Queen and made Guy a Prince, like Elizabeth and Albert, but she didn't, so there must have been some reason she didn't. She surely could have done a better job! I don't think she had a choice. Since the Kingdom of Jerusalem was basically one of constant warfare, they didn't go for female rulers. Sybilla's job was to breed the next king, since Baldwin would never have a child of his own. A child ruler was just as bad--they needed a strong, military mind on the the throne and they didn't have that with Guy. The fact that she chose her husband over her son (and the regent chosen for him) proved to be the wrong decision--in real life, not the movie. I can see them chosing to telescope the events and ditch the boy king/regent issues to simplify the story. But from what I've read, historically, Sybilla wasn't as smart and savvy as Baldwin. She was spoiled and temperamental. No film tonight--maybe sometime this week.


Sean K - May 08, 2005 9:05:36 am PDT #2574 of 10002
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Alibelle is me.

Except much cuter.


JZ - May 08, 2005 9:24:48 am PDT #2575 of 10002
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

According to Pauline Baynes, the original illustrator, neither Pevensie girl is blonde.

The White Witch looks very properly seductive and terrifying, but I'm not so keen on the Lion. Really want to see (and hear) Tumnus and Mr. and Mrs. Beaver.

Oooh! Goblet of Fire! ::scampers back to Teaserland::


Gris - May 08, 2005 9:53:38 am PDT #2576 of 10002
Hey. New board.

The simple fact that it will not be Christopher Columbus directing it gives me hope.

Oh, I have hope. Just not faith. I've only seen two of this guy's movies, and one of them was... okay but not exactly good (Mona Lisa Smile) and the other was eleven years ago (Four Weddings and a Funeral) and neither of them is remotely like a Harry Potter movie.

Also, I quite enjoyed Chamber of Secrets and have watched the DVD several times. It's nothing on Prisoner, which was one of the best movies of last year, but it was a perfectly decent adaptation if still somewhat lacking in magic. I thought CC did quite a nice job with it, especially considering it's my least favorite of the books. If GOF is that decent, I'll be satisfied, if not amazed as I was last time.