And I wonder, what possible catastrophe came crashing down from heaven and brought this dashing stranger to tears?

Drusilla ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Frankenbuddha - Feb 13, 2012 11:24:49 am PST #8632 of 10458
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I still think The Wish could have been a great multi-episode arc. Kill Cordelia at the end of the first hour, bring Buffy in at the very end of the second, etc. Make everyone think that the show is pulling the season 3 version of Angel losing his soul for the rest of the season.

But then again, it's a very tight episode as is (although as sj points out, the master's plan is pretty weak).


sj - Feb 13, 2012 11:28:01 am PST #8633 of 10458
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

But then again, it's a very tight episode as is (although as sj points out, the master's plan is pretty weak).

I wonder if it was a budget thing. If they couldn't afford to make all those creepy monsters that were supposed to be released when the Hellmouth opened, so they just went in a different direction.


§ ita § - Feb 13, 2012 12:12:05 pm PST #8634 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I like alternate universe storylines or what if story lines even if the characters don't remember because it's interesting to see what might have been.

I totally agree. I see people with similar objections about what might happen with Fringe, as if seeing alternate versions isn't a valid commentary right there about the characters we see every week. The people onscreen don't need to learn so much as we do.

Stargate always had other versions of SG1 (and boy, did they ever die a lot) and I was entertained just about every time. Do it well, and it's an education on the prime timeline/universe/etcetera. It's like saying I don't know more about Cas because druggie Cas in The End never really existed and might never do so.

Bah. Bah, I say--bah.


Lee - Feb 13, 2012 12:33:08 pm PST #8635 of 10458
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Six different timelines and a movie!


askye - Feb 13, 2012 12:40:35 pm PST #8636 of 10458
Thrive to spite them

Yeah!

Also seeing different timelines is a way to show what traits an characteristics are core to a character and what is there because of the circumstances.


DavidS - Feb 13, 2012 5:57:24 pm PST #8637 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

"The Wish" is an interesting variation on the It's a Wonderful Life.

And it has the same point as that movie, which is that one person can change, even save a community.

He's totally wrong that "The Wish" is or should be a Cordy-centric episode. That's just his Cordy-love-goggles on.

And this?

No one learns anything. No one remembers anything. Nothing happened. No one grew, no one became a better person,

Dude. I know you've got better aesthetic criteria than that. Don't make me get out the Animaniacs Wheel of Morality.

The master's factory o' blood though, always struck me as lame. But it's still painful watching our characters getting killed - especially Oz dusting Willow. Well, actually Wishverse!Buffy dying is the worst.


Fred Pete - Feb 14, 2012 4:28:13 am PST #8638 of 10458
Ann, that's a ferret.

Don't make me get out the Animaniacs Wheel of Morality.

"Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it."

I may be in a minority here, but the mechanized blood machine creeped me out big time. All the test subject can do is lay there, knowing she's going to die, and she can't do anything -- anything -- to fight it. All she can do is watch her death get closer and closer.... Terrifying stuff.


§ ita § - Feb 14, 2012 4:48:37 am PST #8639 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The blood machine is in line with using humans for batteries in terms of "great initial shock idea--how is this practical or efficient again?"


sj - Feb 14, 2012 5:06:02 am PST #8640 of 10458
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

The blood machine is in line with using humans for batteries in terms of "great initial shock idea--how is this practical or efficient again?"

Plus, I could see a vampire like Spike saying, "What is the fun in that?"


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 14, 2012 5:33:09 am PST #8641 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I wonder if the Master was thinking along the lines of animal husbandry rather than game hunting down the road.