Hot sex does not have to be emotionally intense.
Too true.
Wesley: I stabbed you. I should apologize for that. But I'm honestly not sure how. I think it'll just be awkward. Gunn: Good call. Wesley: Okay.
'Time Bomb'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
P.M. Marc - May 14, 2005 11:00:34 pm PDT #790 of 10458
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Am-Chau Yarkona - May 14, 2005 11:02:46 pm PDT #791 of 10458
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty
Love's hard to quantify, but I think that she didn't love Riley as much as she wanted to, and that she loved Spike more than she wanted to.
Gris - May 15, 2005 6:49:09 am PDT #792 of 10458
Hey. New board.
Hmm. Guess we were using different meanings of "intense." I was just thinking "hot."
Sorry if I came off belligerent last night. Sobriety was not part of the equation.
brenda m - May 15, 2005 6:52:11 am PDT #793 of 10458
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
I was just thinking "hot."
Hot? Their anti-chemistry literally put the fire out in the room.
SailAweigh - May 15, 2005 6:54:25 am PDT #794 of 10458
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb
Heh, I always felt there was more chemistry between Riley and Buffy than there was between Angel and Buffy, at least. But yeah, anti-hot all the way. Heck, Riley and the Vamp!Ho was hotter than Riley and Buffy.
Gris - May 15, 2005 6:59:45 am PDT #795 of 10458
Hey. New board.
(Shrug) I like what I remember of their sex scenes just fine. They weren't really inspiring me to run to my bunk, but nobody does chemistry like James Marsters, as we all know.
Definitely agree that they had more chemistry than B/A. Maybe the problem is SMG.
ETA: Also, despite all of my wishes that Riley could have worked out for Buffy, I think Spike was most definitely more important both to her and for her. She just wasn't made to interact with normal humans, which Riley, despite all those drugs and training, would always be.
I'm not sure I really know what love is (did Romeo love Juliet? What about Jack and Rose? Leia and Han?) or if it even has a steady definition, in or out of the Buffyverse, so I have a hard time deciding if she loved either of them.
§ ita § - May 15, 2005 7:06:45 am PDT #796 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
It's not so much the intense v. hot -- it's the "emotional" part I was thinking of -- Spike and Buffy's sex was much more emotional than her sex with Riley.
Topic!Cindy - May 15, 2005 7:15:36 am PDT #797 of 10458
What is even happening?
Love's hard to quantify, but I think that she didn't love Riley as much as she wanted to, and that she loved Spike more than she wanted to.
That's a good way of putting it. And it doesn't mean one was loved more than the other, but the comparison is more significant where Buffy's feelings are concerned.
I thought B/A had incredible chemistry. I thought Riley and Buffy had decent chemistry, but the whingier he got, and the more self-absorbed he got, the less attractive I found him.
It's not so much the intense v. hot -- it's the "emotional" part I was thinking of -- Spike and Buffy's sex was much more emotional than her sex with Riley.Yes.
Gris - May 15, 2005 7:18:00 am PDT #798 of 10458
Hey. New board.
Spike and Buffy's sex was much more emotional than her sex with Riley.
Fully agree. My argument came from a different reading of "intense" in your original statement, that contained no "emotional." Now re-evaluating my statements.
I bet Riley would have said he longed for that sort of emotional intensity, but I'm really not sure he would have liked it if he had gotten it. I'm sure I wouldn't want to be used for sex as an emotional escape, at least not exclusively, and I'm not convinced that Buffy/Spike ever really went beyond that. And when it looked like it might, she ended it.
Even Spike wasn't completely happy being used like that, and it definitely seems more along his line than along Riley's.
Jessica - May 15, 2005 7:26:23 am PDT #799 of 10458
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Maybe the problem is SMG.
This is where I stand, pretty much. I've never been able to see B/anyone chemistry, and I think it's because I just don't get that vibe off of SMG.