How's it sit? Pretty cunning, don'tchya think?

Jayne ,'The Message'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Steph L. - Sep 06, 2008 1:06:59 pm PDT #6655 of 10467
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I'm curious about how many movies/TV shows pass the Bechdel Test by having #3 be a conversation about their kids.

Which is not to say that one's family is not a valid topic of conversation, but it still reduces the role of the characters to Mommy.

Bull Durham certainly doesn't pass the Bechdel Test, but I still love the conversation that Annie and Millie have when Millie asks Annie if she deserves to wear a white wedding dress, and Annie says, "Honey, we all deserve to wear white." (Or does that count as not being a conversation about a man, since even though Annie is fitting Millie for her wedding dress, they don't talk about men, technically?)

Jesus God, that movie is 20 years old. I feel like a fossil.


Frankenbuddha - Sep 06, 2008 1:23:54 pm PDT #6656 of 10467
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Jesus God, that movie is 20 years old. I feel like a fossil.

Tell me about it. It both feels like I just saw it for the first time a couple of years ago, and that I've known it forever.


Barb - Sep 06, 2008 1:44:08 pm PDT #6657 of 10467
“Not dead yet!”

Jesus God, that movie is 20 years old. I feel like a fossil.

I just draw comfort from the fact that Susan Sarandon was my age when she made that movie. She looked fabulous, got to get naked with Kevin when he was still very pretty, and snagged herself the cute, very smart, and twelve years-younger Tim Robbins as a life partner during the filming.

Why I draw comfort from this, I don't know, but it at least keeps me from feeling like a fossil.


Kevin - Sep 06, 2008 2:02:48 pm PDT #6658 of 10467
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

In the original pitch (and I think one of the drafts) for Firefly, Zoe was a man.


Sophia Brooks - Sep 06, 2008 2:04:44 pm PDT #6659 of 10467
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

That just made me want to cry, Kevin.

Was Jayne a woman?


quester - Sep 06, 2008 2:05:31 pm PDT #6660 of 10467
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

Would she/he still have been married to Wash?


Kevin - Sep 06, 2008 2:32:15 pm PDT #6661 of 10467
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

I don't think Wash was in the original pitch. It was 5 characters, without the Blue Sun stuff. FOX, according to the Visual Companion interviews at least, asked for the broadening of the concept. But we all know FOX are evil and wrong, yes?

Although, to add a bit of balance (I'm using that in the same sentence as FOX...) I personally think Joss Whedon's work is interesting, extremely well put put together and - in many ways - historic. For me. I also think the criticism of Dr Horrible is unjustified. I do worry about Acker's character in Dollhouse, though.


Strega - Sep 06, 2008 5:09:27 pm PDT #6662 of 10467

Totally irrelevant correction: Linda's not one of the founders of TWoP.


le nubian - Sep 06, 2008 5:18:45 pm PDT #6663 of 10467
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

oh really?

her friend who is my friend seems to think so! okay.


Strega - Sep 06, 2008 5:30:12 pm PDT #6664 of 10467

Wing, Sars, & Glark created the site. I forget exactly, but I know Linda was hired at the same time as Shack. I think that was in the second year.