Oh, Pacey! You blind idiot. Can't you see she doesn't love you?

Spike ,'Help'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


quester - Aug 20, 2008 6:22:36 pm PDT #6572 of 10467
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

I think that Jenny Calendar hit me the hardest. It was so unexpected, and so cruel. I think that it was really the first time that the death that surrounded them really touch

Wash's death scene shocked me completely out of the movie, out of the narrative, out of the 'verse. I've come to accept that this is how Whedon wanted the story to go. I still don't believe Wash is gone. I haven't rewatched Serenity on dvd more than once to make sure the disc was okay. I rewatch Firefly 2-3 times a year. I'm sure Firefly would have reached the same conclusion as Serenity, but it would have been organic and believeable, at least for me. There are many things to like about the movie and more to appreciate. Loss of character agency for most of the cast and Wash's death overbalance those positive things for me. I can't deal with that character death in context, because it never feels earned to me.

I completely concur with these and couldn't put them any better.


brenda m - Aug 20, 2008 6:30:21 pm PDT #6573 of 10467
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Wash's death overbalance those positive things for me. I can't deal with that character death in context, because it never feels earned to me.

In a weird way, Wash's death never really got me - it didn't feel real for precisely that reason, and so it really doesn't resonate the way it should.


Laga - Aug 21, 2008 7:00:53 am PDT #6574 of 10467
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

Yeah I never really grieved for Wash.


Una - Aug 21, 2008 9:07:28 am PDT #6575 of 10467
when i die, please bake my ashes into a brick and use me to hit fascists.

For me, Wash's death did pretty much what I imagine Joss wanted it to do--raised the stakes that much more. I was terrified for the rest of the movie, because NO ONE was safe. I thought, "what if this is how he's going to say goodbye to Firefly? by killing them ALL?"


Jessica - Aug 21, 2008 9:10:16 am PDT #6576 of 10467
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Heh - I was exactly the opposite. I figured "Wash, huh? I guess that means everyone else is safe."

But then, I'm not so much a fan of that 'verse, so I was pretty detached and analytical throughout the whole thing.


Invisible Green - Aug 21, 2008 2:20:11 pm PDT #6577 of 10467

For me, Wash's death did pretty much what I imagine Joss wanted it to do--raised the stakes that much more.

Same here. Though I found Book's death to be Joss's least impressive: predictable, cliched, and merely plot-driven.


libkitty - Aug 21, 2008 2:36:03 pm PDT #6578 of 10467
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

Same here. Though I found Book's death to be Joss's least impressive: predictable, cliched, and merely plot-driven.

Yeah, with Book, I felt the safeness that others felt from Wash. With Wash, I had no safeness. Just gutwrenching shock and sorrow.


quester - Aug 21, 2008 4:35:34 pm PDT #6579 of 10467
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

I wept and wept and had to hide in a bathroom stall at the theatre after the movie.


le nubian - Aug 25, 2008 3:00:53 am PDT #6580 of 10467
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

You know, my allergies flared up during TNT's airing of "I will remember you."

Whew. Good morning, Monday. What a fucking heartbreaking episode. Never fails to get me.


Vortex - Aug 25, 2008 5:23:51 am PDT #6581 of 10467
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Whew. Good morning, Monday. What a fucking heartbreaking episode. Never fails to get me.

That was the first one where I really had allergies. My eyes had itched before, but "I felt your heartbeat" broke me.