If Joss wanted ugly, unsexy vampires, why did he keep casting pretty, sexy people? Plus he made Spike unique among the other vampires because of his ability to love Drusilla.
Oh, yeah. There was this time I was pinned down by this guy that played left tackle for varsity... Well, at least he used to before he was a vampire... Anyway, he had this really, really thick neck, and all I had was a little, little Exact-O knife ... You're not loving this story.
Buffy ,'Beneath You'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Connie Neil - Sep 27, 2007 8:22:34 am PDT #5394 of 10469
brillig
Polter-Cow - Sep 27, 2007 8:38:55 am PDT #5395 of 10469
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Yeah, James Marsters was saying this same thing in an earlier interview (or maybe at DragonCon), and it...doesn't make a lot of sense to me, since he appears to be complaining about how "marginalized" the character of Spike was, when he kind of took over the show. And then another show.
Connie Neil - Sep 27, 2007 8:44:00 am PDT #5396 of 10469
brillig
he appears to be complaining about how "marginalized" the character of Spike was
I don't think he's complaining, I think he's making an observation about Joss trying to marginalize Spike in order to keep the show from being taken over by another sexy vampire and that marginalization backfiring.
Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 27, 2007 8:48:13 am PDT #5397 of 10469
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
In the previous interview where he brought that subject up, he was definitely complaining about only getting five words per episode if Joss was the writer. I wish I remembered the show the way he does.
brenda m - Sep 27, 2007 8:50:06 am PDT #5398 of 10469
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
I don't think he's complaining, I think he's making an observation about Joss trying to marginalize Spike in order to keep the show from being taken over by another sexy vampire and that marginalization backfiring.
This is how I took it, and what I found interesting. I vaguely remember hearing about the kind of thing Matt brings up, but it really didn't have that vibe for me here.
Sophia Brooks - Sep 27, 2007 9:15:27 am PDT #5399 of 10469
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
I don't think he's complaining, I think he's making an observation about Joss trying to marginalize Spike in order to keep the show from being taken over by another sexy vampire and that marginalization backfiring.
This is how I took it, and what I found interesting. I vaguely remember hearing about the kind of thing Matt brings up, but it really didn't have that vibe for me here.
I am Brenda.
Fred Pete - Sep 27, 2007 9:19:22 am PDT #5400 of 10469
Ann, that's a ferret.
I don't remember Spike taking over Angel for more than a few episodes. But yes, he did take over -- and overbalance -- Buffy.
Frankenbuddha - Sep 27, 2007 9:29:02 am PDT #5401 of 10469
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I don't remember Spike taking over Angel for more than a few episodes. But yes, he did take over -- and overbalance -- Buffy.
I think for some viewers (not me personally) any Spike on Angel (so to speak) was too much Spike by that point.
Jessica - Sep 27, 2007 9:33:51 am PDT #5402 of 10469
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I remember it taking about 8 eps before Spike was integrated successfully into the show -- up until that point nearly every ep had at least one "The Network Made Us Do It, So Here's Another Reminder About SPIKE BEING ON THE SHOW NOW" scene that felt completely incongruous with the rest of the show.
Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 27, 2007 9:34:14 am PDT #5403 of 10469
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I'd say "Hellbound" and "Destiny" were the only episodes in which he was actually the main character rather than Angel, but I definitely got the feeling that all the supporting characters were backburnered in favor of Spike at least until Amy started playing Illyria. Fred's death seemed to be the one thing that couldn't be made All About Spike, and it forced him back into being part of an ensemble.