Jeez, don't get all Movie of the Week. I was just too cheap to buy you a real present.

Dawn ,'The Killer In Me'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Jon B. - May 04, 2005 9:52:40 am PDT #534 of 10457
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Torres and Fishburn - YUM!

Those paparazzi photos always freak me out.


§ ita § - May 04, 2005 9:55:21 am PDT #535 of 10457
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't know what paparazzi do during the day, nor the profile of that restaurant -- I'd imagine these days a lot of the photos come from someone with decent megapixels who's just out with their camera.

Of course, since my one stealth photo of a celebrity was with a cameraphone and is only recognizable if I walk you through it -- I'm not expert.


Jon B. - May 04, 2005 10:28:23 am PDT #536 of 10457
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I'd imagine these days a lot of the photos come from someone with decent megapixels who's just out with their camera.

I don't think any more highly of a non-professional snapping a bunch of photos of them without their permission.


§ ita § - May 04, 2005 10:32:10 am PDT #537 of 10457
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I've never asked permission of strangers on the street who've made it into my photos or been the subject. I don't do it so much anymore -- in fact, the unease is a big part of why I take much fewer pictures.

I've never been sure of the legality of the whole thing (which is separate from the morality, I know). I've heard talk of getting releases signed, but for which photos? For publication? Sale? Profit? And I'm pretty sure it's not required. I wonder why it's ever done, then.


Jon B. - May 04, 2005 10:37:42 am PDT #538 of 10457
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

In my personal morality, there's a difference between taking an artful photo of a random stranger who looks interesting (in their pose or setting) and taking a series of photos of a couple leaving a restaurant.

Releases would have to be signed if you plan to sell the photos. Though subjects in the public eye (like celebrities) may be treated differently.


§ ita § - May 04, 2005 10:41:44 am PDT #539 of 10457
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Though subjects in the public eye (like celebrities) may be treated differently.

This the part that confuses me. That doesn't seem fair. If anything, their image is their livelihood, and should be afforded more protection, not less.

But if I take a crowd shot and sell it to a newspaper, I'm really expected to get releases from everyone recognisable in it? That's never seemed practical. Or I could sell it to a tabloid, or People or something with less clear journalistic ... integrity?

Very fuzzy to me.


Jessica - May 04, 2005 10:45:16 am PDT #540 of 10457
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Releases would have to be signed if you plan to sell the photos.

Not if they're walking down the street, you don't. Red carpet/other candid footage belongs to whoever shot it.


Jon B. - May 04, 2005 10:50:52 am PDT #541 of 10457
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Huh. So when do you need a release signed?


Jessica - May 04, 2005 11:12:55 am PDT #542 of 10457
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

IME, whenever someone is credited as "talent," you need their permission for reuse. (Which is why TAR contestants need to get releases from anyone they ask for directions, but not everyone they pass on the streets.)

Likewise, you need a release in order to sell anything that's an image of a copyrighted event (play/sports game/etc). (When we sell clips from Pride and Prejudice, we need Colin Firth's permission to sell scenes with Darcy in them, etc.)


Daisy Jane - May 04, 2005 11:16:15 am PDT #543 of 10457
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

When we sell clips from Pride and Prejudice, we need Colin Firth's permission to sell scenes with Darcy in them, etc.

I volunteer to call him and ask him for you.