Everyone's getting spanked but me.

Willow ,'The Killer In Me'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Fred Pete - Sep 04, 2007 9:32:16 am PDT #5317 of 10469
Ann, that's a ferret.

Not to mention that, ok, he wasn't a fan of Buffy and didn't know the backstory when he came on as Connor. Fair enough.

But when you're an unknown coming in to an established series, I'd doubt you should expect much leverage with the script writers. And after a while, you don't have much room to complain that you don't understand the back story.


tiggy - Sep 04, 2007 11:43:01 am PDT #5318 of 10469
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

i've heard insider things about VK that made me form the opinion that he's an asshat. that interview just solidified it.


Burrell - Sep 04, 2007 3:52:19 pm PDT #5319 of 10469
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I dunno, he doesn't sound like an asshole to me. His criticisms of Connor seem a fairly honest self-assessment, he seems more critical of his own actions/acting than anything else.


Scrappy - Sep 04, 2007 4:14:15 pm PDT #5320 of 10469
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I'm with Burrell on this.


Bobbi - Sep 04, 2007 4:30:59 pm PDT #5321 of 10469
Dog is my co-pilot.

If VK thinks that gender roles in 1960 are something to be nostalgic about, I say he's an asshat. It really doesn't matter what he thinks about the Whedonverse.

But also what Fred Pete said. The kid thinks he's going to have input into a character in a 'verse that he didn't bother to research?


Scrappy - Sep 04, 2007 5:06:17 pm PDT #5322 of 10469
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I don't think he is saying it was better--he is saying it was simpler. Less choices for both men and women. More complexity makes things harder. Not worse, but harder.


Bobbi - Sep 04, 2007 5:15:12 pm PDT #5323 of 10469
Dog is my co-pilot.

Robin, point taken, but I got the distinct feeling that he had a fondness for simpler.


Liese S. - Sep 04, 2007 6:36:49 pm PDT #5324 of 10469
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

To take a specific character point from his character, I don't know if I would consider it simpler or better to be whored out by my newlywed husband over an item of ambition based in petty jealousy.


Laga - Sep 04, 2007 7:34:02 pm PDT #5325 of 10469
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I bet VK was just trying to be clever with that "things were kinda nice" comment. After typing that I realize it's when I'm trying to be clever that I tend to reveal what a dork I actually am. Maybe failed attempts at cleverness are a window to our true nature.


Liese S. - Sep 04, 2007 7:50:09 pm PDT #5326 of 10469
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Probably wasn't meant as seriously as I'm taking it. However, "Weren't things nicer then..." is a big ping for me. Because in general, yeah, things were nicer then (for any given value of then or there). For a very small, select class of people, at the expense of the much larger class of people.

I can't help but respond to the "things were simpler" comment as, well, things were simpler if I wanted to exist within a very codified structure and I didn't have any interests or desires outside of that structure. Things were simpler if I didn't want to worry my pretty little head about things like property ownership or voting rights or the ability to marry. (Yes, I'm extrapolating outside of the particular era, but that's because it's my Big Red Don't Push This Button Button.)

Things were always nicer when we didn't have to be aware of the consequences of our actions. Things were nicer when the people we oppressed were quieter about it. Things were nicer when a subservient class existed to cater to our whims and didn't complain. Things were nicer when people knew their places.

You see? That's the road I'm staring down that starts with the comment, "Weren't things nicer then..."

To me.