Don't belong. Dangerous, like you. Can't be controlled. Can't be trusted. Everyone could just go on without me and not have to worry. People could be what they wanted to be. Could be with the people they wanted. Live simple. No secrets.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Polter-Cow - Mar 14, 2007 5:46:08 am PDT #4754 of 10469
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

And that's Strega's favorite season, hee!

Season 3 has a great beginning and a great end, but an unfortunate middle. (Likewise, Season 2 has a great beginning and a great middle, but an unfortunate end. Season 4 is awesome from start to finish.) I don't know much about Tim's contribution to that middle, but I get the impression he was responsible for most of the great stuff in the beginning and end (given the episodes he had a direct hand in), so I'm cool with that.

And, Aims, yeah. Shit happens. It's kind of surprising when you look at writers' IMDb bios and you realize some of the crap they were responsible for at some point.


tiggy - Mar 14, 2007 6:16:31 am PDT #4755 of 10469
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

the most horrible thing was what was done to Cordelia's characterization in the name of making her more "heroic"/a suitable love interest for Angel

a million times this.

And was she NOT at the Buffy wrap party? I must admit, that kind of bugs me.

no, she wasn't. charming, huh?


Aims - Mar 14, 2007 6:22:12 am PDT #4756 of 10469
Shit's all sorts of different now.

no, she wasn't. charming, huh?

That's just shitty. Seriously.


Vortex - Mar 14, 2007 6:26:29 am PDT #4757 of 10469
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

a million times this.

sits next to Tiggy


Vonnie K - Mar 14, 2007 6:29:03 am PDT #4758 of 10469
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Season 3 has a great beginning and a great end, but an unfortunate middle.

Huh. I thought some of the middle patch was the best of S3, specifically the run from "Loyalty" -- burger loa! -- to "Forgiving," but then, the whole Wes-going-dark arc was the only reason I didn't give up the show in disgust at that point, so I may be biased. The last few episodes of S3 had Gunn selling his soul for a freakin' truck, glowy!Cordy, and of course, the Crapture (tm Matt, I think), which I don't consider a high point of the show.


Aims - Mar 14, 2007 6:31:41 am PDT #4759 of 10469
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I need to rewatch Angel. Haven't seen most of it since it originally aired.


Polter-Cow - Mar 14, 2007 6:32:25 am PDT #4760 of 10469
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I thought some of the middle patch was the best of S3, specifically the run from "Loyalty" -- burger loa! -- to "Forgiving," but then, the whole Wes-going-dark arc was the only reason I didn't give up the show in disgust at that point, so I may be biased.

Oh, I'm counting that. The middle for me is the bridge between the Darla arc and the Wesley arc, which includes all the Baby Connor stuff, mostly. And the stuff I like at the end is the Grown Connor stuff with Holtz.


Vonnie K - Mar 14, 2007 6:36:14 am PDT #4761 of 10469
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

The middle for me is the bridge between the Darla arc and the Wesley arc, which includes all the Baby Connor stuff, mostly.

Ahh, got you. You meant the part that included "Dad" and "Provider" (ick). Yeap, that section was a veritable festival of the suck.


Polter-Cow - Mar 14, 2007 6:40:17 am PDT #4762 of 10469
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

It's sort of shocking how low it dips before coming back up to slash Wesley's throat and smother him with a pillow and all.


tiggy - Mar 14, 2007 6:42:58 am PDT #4763 of 10469
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

I hated Connor. from the moment he was born and Angel became so dorky i could barely stomach him to when he grew up and became a whiny bitch who didn't look like he could take SMG in a fight much less anyone else.