Willow: You know what they say. The bigger they are... Anya: The faster they stomp you into nothin'.

'The Killer In Me'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Frankenbuddha - Nov 16, 2005 7:23:27 am PST #2450 of 10459
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I can see vampires missing chewing and satisfying crunchiness.

Hee - all vampires are stoners.


Gris - Nov 16, 2005 11:15:20 am PST #2451 of 10459
Hey. New board.

I'm not sure if it was mentioned before, but last week's Entertainment Weekly reviewed the "Chosen Collection" DVD package. Says the release is poor (not enough extra goodness), but in the process praises the hell out of the show. A fun read.

There are some things you can't state often enough. The Aston Martin DB5 was the greatest Bond car ever. The Empire Strikes Back is the best Star Wars movie. And Buffy the Vampire Slayer is one of the seminal TV shows of the last 50 years. In the top 10. Not open for debate.


Mikey - Nov 16, 2005 1:48:25 pm PST #2452 of 10459
All this time, I thought Hunter was a bitch. Turns out she was just hungry.

Hush:

Giles: I thought vampires were supposed to eat blood.
Spike: Yep. Well sometimes I like to crumble up the Weetabix in the blood - give it a little texture.

I loved Giles' reaction to that.


Kathy A - Nov 18, 2005 7:03:33 am PST #2453 of 10459
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

If you don't have an EW subscription, CNN has picked up that boxed-set review here. I like this paragraph:

"Buffy" did what all great genre fiction does. It allowed us to look at ourselves through a fantastical lens, and see who we truly are: at once stronger than we thought we could be and weaker than we'd like to let on. And, as with most great genre fiction, the establishment just didn't get it.


Morgana - Nov 18, 2005 7:57:05 pm PST #2454 of 10459
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

I was rewatching "Are You Now or Have You Ever Been?" and in the scene outside the Observatory where Angel is standing in his James Dean jacket, he's smoking. Literally puffing on a cigarette and blowing smoke out. My Mom jumped on this, exclaiming that "He shouldn't be able to do that! He doesn't have any breath! He couldn't do CPR on Buffy when the Master bit her because he didn't have any breath." Is this one of those things that has already been discussed, and just hand-waved away?

Also, this episode has earwormed me with the damned "Whoop-de Doo polka" that the salesman plays on the record player before committing suicide. All the great music that they had in the 50's, and they used that one.... So now my brain is stuck in an endless loop between that polka and "Honky Cat." (Ever since I saw Elton John on "Inside the Actor's Studio.")


§ ita § - Nov 18, 2005 8:04:29 pm PST #2455 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If he literally had no breath, he wouldn't be able to speak either.

I think Joss wanked it with a "spark of life" sort of thing.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 18, 2005 9:18:24 pm PST #2456 of 10459
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Which should mean that hospital equipment can't resuscitate people, since it doesn't have the spark of life either (well, except for defibrilators, I guess...). Sometimes Joss wasn't so much with the sense-making.


§ ita § - Nov 19, 2005 5:01:00 am PST #2457 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Maybe if the equipment is operated by a human, the spark is conveyed?

Yeah -- lovely metaphor, shame about the logic.


DavidS - Nov 19, 2005 6:15:11 am PST #2458 of 10459
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Joss' handwave was that metaphorically a vampire shouldn't be able to give life. Which sits okay with me, but isn't much of a handwave in the worldbuilding department.

A better handwave is that a vampire can force his lungs to breathe in and out pushing air, but that once the air goes in, whatever property animates the vamp taints the air making it unfit for resusscitation.


Kalshane - Nov 19, 2005 6:35:40 am PST #2459 of 10459
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

I'm with Hec on the whole "Taint of death" thing. In a mystical sense, air is a different animal than breath. Vampires can move air with their lungs, but they don't breathe. Which scientifically means they should still be able to ressuscitate someone, but as Angel said about vampires and cameras versus mirrors, it's metaphysics, not physics.

(Edited because one "but" is plenty for anyone.)