Zoe: First rule of battle, little one. Don't ever let 'em know where you are. Mal: Whoo-hoo! I'm right here! I'm right here! You want some of me? Yeah, you do! Come on! Come on! Aaah! Whoo-hoo! Zoe: Of course, there are other schools of thought...

'The Message'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Kalshane - Nov 02, 2005 6:16:20 am PST #2329 of 10459
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Again, the addiction angle didn't bother me so much as how it was handled. People having withdrawal shakes, getting back-alley magical hits and breaking into houses to steal sage were all just over the top and ridiculous. However, I agree it should have been setup much earlier if that was the route they were going to take, rather than the abuse of power angle they were doing up until that point.


Strega - Nov 02, 2005 6:22:00 am PST #2330 of 10459

just fixing Smashed and Wrecked would completely change the character of the entire Willow/Tara thing,

If I remember right, Smashed presents it as a power trip rather than... the other kind of trip. I liked that episode when it aired, which made Wrecked's awfulness that much more shocking.


bon bon - Nov 02, 2005 6:22:20 am PST #2331 of 10459
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

One could say that Mutant Enemy was addicted to the power of allegory, leading to the car crash that was Wrecked. I mean, it starts out all right-- slaying the demons of high school; finding out your boyfriend is a monster-- but then you're making spells the equivalent of lesbian experimentation, parodying other shark jumps by inserting actual family members out of thin air-- and we know the rest.


Vortex - Nov 02, 2005 6:23:30 am PST #2332 of 10459
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

breaking into houses to steal sage were all just over the top and ridiculous.

although it would have been really funny to watch some housewife making a nice pork roast be set upon in the kitchen by a sage junkie.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 02, 2005 7:21:54 am PST #2333 of 10459
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I hardly ever read the TwoP Buffy recaps, but I recall the hilarious one of "Wrecked" where Ace wrote:

At least we were spared a scene of Amy shakily pointing a gun at Buffy and screaming, "Where's the coriander, bitch?"


Mikey - Nov 02, 2005 12:55:45 pm PST #2334 of 10459
All this time, I thought Hunter was a bitch. Turns out she was just hungry.

If "Beer Bad" hadn't already been done, "Magic Bad" might have been another way to go. Course it probably wouldn't take the season to the same place.


Morgana - Nov 02, 2005 7:04:01 pm PST #2335 of 10459
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

the magic = crack storyline

Another issue around this oh-so-awkwardly mishandled storyline is that if magic is suddenly evil, why is it okay for Tara and Giles to keep using it? Or the coven in England? (I know, I know, apparently because Willow now has a heretofore undiagnosed addictive personality.)

But by this point I was so disgruntled at Willow I wasn't cutting her much slack anyway. (Hi Buffy, glad you're back from the dead.... by the way, we've been living here in your house, and running through the money, just waiting for you to come back and take care of it all. You run along and get a job to support me, and my girlfriend. And you and Dawn too, of course. Me and Tara, both of us able-bodied adults, will continue to live here, but neither of us will even pretend to look for work, even part-time jobs...)

Season 6 made me snarl at the screen. Season 7 practically had me throwing things across the room.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 02, 2005 9:23:07 pm PST #2336 of 10459
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Buffy totally should have started charging all the potentials' families for putting their girls up at a quirky SoCal "athletics-intensive boarding school." You know Kennedy's alone would have ponied up mid 5 figures.


Frankenbuddha - Nov 03, 2005 3:29:40 am PST #2337 of 10459
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Buffy totally should have started charging all the potentials' families for putting their girls up at a quirky SoCal "athletics-intensive boarding school." You know Kennedy's alone would have ponied up mid 5 figures.

I dunno, I think Kennedy seems capable of initiating a "Ransom of Red Chief" situation vis-a-vis her parents all to easily. Hell, they probably gave Caleb directions to Sunnydale.


Kate P. - Nov 03, 2005 4:54:58 am PST #2338 of 10459
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I got an email from a friend this morning who just came back from covering the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina for her radio station, and she mentioned seeing a musical duo busking on the street named... Willow and Tara Kennedy.