Otter! I think it is otter.
You can't open the book of my life and jump in the middle. Like woman, I'm a mystery.
Mal ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Katie M - Oct 24, 2005 7:04:49 am PDT #2288 of 10459
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
sumi - Oct 24, 2005 7:05:09 am PDT #2289 of 10459
Art Crawl!!!
Otters aren't rodents. They are mustelids. (In the same family as weasels and minks.)
Jars - Oct 24, 2005 7:06:03 am PDT #2290 of 10459
Huh. Why my brain chose to remember that and not my own phone number, I do not know.
Gandalfe - Oct 24, 2005 7:08:08 am PDT #2291 of 10459
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.
Well, they're rodent . . . looking.
UTTAD - Oct 25, 2005 3:56:20 am PDT #2292 of 10459
Strawberry disappointment.
Rewatching S1 of Angel for the first time in years.
Didn't realise it was the guy who plays Sawyer from Lost that was one of the vamps that Angel dusts right at the start of the first epsiode.
Doyle dying is ensaddening.
libkitty - Oct 25, 2005 4:32:56 pm PDT #2293 of 10459
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs
Doyle. I miss Doyle.
Just read about 150 posts. I'm so full of everyone's good and bad moments, especially good, that I can't possible come up with something original. Reading through so many at once, I was wroding all over the place. But seriously, of all the characters, I think I miss Doyle the most.
Gris - Oct 25, 2005 5:48:49 pm PDT #2294 of 10459
Hey. New board.
Best death episode, by far. Absolutely beautifully done. A true tribute to the nobility and wonder of a character we barely knew, with that incredibly, incredibly poignant ending.
Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 25, 2005 6:06:01 pm PDT #2295 of 10459
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Hmm. Honestly, though I was very moved by the death itself (all the more so after the fact when Glen Quinn followed), I thought the episode as a whole was kind of crappy.
Morgana - Oct 25, 2005 6:27:52 pm PDT #2296 of 10459
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber
Nazi demons. With deformed football heads. And at first I had difficulty telling the flashbacks from the present day. But I still love the Cordy/Doyle interactions.
Gris - Oct 25, 2005 7:25:02 pm PDT #2297 of 10459
Hey. New board.
I had this whole post, but it went away when my backspace decided it meant "Back" rather than "delete the character to the left" so, yeah, not rewriting it all.
Mostly, I didn't mean that "Hero" compares to "Becoming Part II" or "The Gift" or "The Body" or "Chosen" or "You're Welcome" or "Not Fade Away" or even "Seeing Red" on plot. But most of these are not episodes that I associate entirely with the contained death, exactly. "You're Welcome," yes, and that's the only episode of these I'd say has close to the same tone. "The Body" isn't about Joyce at all, it's about the pain of losing somebody. "Seeing Red"s death is designed to anger you with the sheer randomness of it all, which is powerful, but not the same effect at all. The others are all season finales, with the associated amount of plot and climactic feel that, to some extent, ofter overpowers the deaths.
In fact, maybe that's why "Hero" works so well for me - because the plot, as you say, is kind of craptastic. The only memorable bits of the episode are Doyle. Doyle on camera. Doyle facing his own personal demons. Doyle finally getting Cordy's attention. Doyle realizing what he has to do. Doyle pushing Angel over the edge, jumping on the shiny ball thing, and exploding in a burst of light, fighting all the way. And finally, "Is that it? Am I done?" It's an absolutely wonderful swan song for this funny, normal guy, a generally reluctant hero who finally finds redemption he didn't even know he needed, in the eight episode of a series centered around redemption. His death wasn't expected, but it wasn't employed for shock value, and it feels truly earned. Without "Hero," would I really miss Doyle? I don't know. I don't think I really loved him until he was gone.