And you're sure this isn't just some fanboy thing? 'Cause I've fought more than a couple pimply, overweight vamps that called themselves Lestat.

Buffy ,'Lessons'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Gris - Oct 10, 2005 11:19:48 am PDT #2137 of 10459
Hey. New board.

Cindy, I think the complete Gift previouslies was included as an extra on the Season 7 DVDs after fans got super-pissed. Too little too late, but there it is.

The Gift was my favorite episode for a long time. On infinite rewatch, it doesn't hold up as well, artistically, to me as, say, Restless or The Body, but it's still in my top 5. I feel it just as much as you.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 10, 2005 1:12:15 pm PDT #2138 of 10459
What is even happening?

Cindy, I think the complete Gift previouslies was included as an extra on the Season 7 DVDs after fans got super-pissed. Too little too late, but there it is.

Oh, okay, that is what I heard, and I just misremembered it. Thanks, David.

The Gift was my favorite episode for a long time. On infinite rewatch, it doesn't hold up as well, artistically, to me as, say, Restless or The Body, but it's still in my top 5. I feel it just as much as you.

I was a Bronzer then, and of course immediately after it aired, Joss came to the boards to say SMG would be back as Buffy, yada yada yada. I already knew this, in that I was certain UPN didn't shell out a bundle that the WB wasn't willing to shell out, in order to buy a Buffyless Buffy. I just wanted to scream at him, "get out, Get Out, GET OUT," because I needed to believe the story I'd been told for a little while, before I started thinking about the future.


Gris - Oct 10, 2005 2:48:41 pm PDT #2139 of 10459
Hey. New board.

Yeah, I actually watched season 5 first. And even after one season, that episode hurt me bad. I can't imagine what it must have been like after 5 years of getting to know her.

Then again, lots of people didn't feel it by then, so maybe I was lucky to watch it first. Taken out of the context of Seasons 1-4, it may be a better season. Not perfect, but so emotionally wrenching.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 10, 2005 2:59:10 pm PDT #2140 of 10459
What is even happening?

I found Buffy during season 3. I can't remember if I had seen all the past episodes by the time The Gift aired. I don't think I had. For a long time, there were just select episodes from seasons 1 and 2 on VHS. I did buy those. And I finally ventured onto the internet to hunt down all backstory, which is how I fell into fandom.

It seems to me the DVDs weren't released until after FX had aired [however many] seasons at least once. And it seems to me that FX didn't start airing the old episodes until after season 5, but I can't remember. I do know I changed cable providers, in order to get FX, and my children still hesitate to touch my VCR, because I was religious in taping, and labeling those tapes. It was so wonderful to watch so much New-To-Me Buffy, regardless of the fact that I already knew what happened.


§ ita § - Oct 10, 2005 3:10:27 pm PDT #2141 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Alien loves Eliza.


DCJensen - Oct 10, 2005 5:00:45 pm PDT #2142 of 10459
All is well that ends in pizza.

Excellent. Now. Do we suspect there could be any kind of link between Ben and Glory?


Connie Neil - Oct 11, 2005 4:02:01 am PDT #2143 of 10459
brillig

Are you all very stoned?


Topic!Cindy - Oct 16, 2005 9:37:04 am PDT #2144 of 10459
What is even happening?

As of last night, we're through Tabula Rasa in the great BtVS Re-Watch of '05. We started watching Once More, With Feeling, on Friday night, and fell asleep (this is a recurring theme in our Re-Watch Project), so last night, we began with that, then watched Fury's Making of... documentary DVD special feature, then watched Tabula Rasa.

I overdosed on Once More, With Feeling when it first aired. I was so darned impressed with j weewee, so pleased by the ways the actors acquitted themselves of their roles, and songs, and so excited that Actual Advancement to the Plot was made during the musical, that I couldn't get enough of it. I also played the CD a lot, because...well, because I could.

Anyhow, I think I've only rewatched it all of once since we bought the S6 DVDs (which was whenever they were first released, here). I was a little afraid going into it last night--afraid that it was going to bore me. It did not. My enjoyment is as if it were new. Only better--because I know the songs.

I doubt I have anything to say about the musical that hasn't been said before, so I'll close this rehash by saying it is still, in my opinion (dh's, too), one of the best episodes of the series, and I still feel a little put out that it didn't get an Emmy. I can't remember, but it seems to me it wasn't even nominated.

Tabula Rasa is one of those episodes I expected not to like. Well, I didn't expect to hate it, but I was still on a high from Once More, With Feeling, when TR was first broadcast, so I went into it, expecting to feel disappointed. I wasn't. It's another week where there is Actual Plot Advancement. The only element of this episode that disappointed me (and the season's progress through Tabula Rasa) was Giles' departure. I know there were meta reasons for having Giles leave when he did. I can even buy he would leave. Buffy was certainly all too comfortable letting him take on her responsibilities. I just took issue with him leaving quite that soon after finding out she'd been heaven. Apparently, I'm over that.

Oh, I was also a little disappointed that we went to a montage for the last few minutes of the episode. I like this version of Branch's Goodbye to You. And it even fits, with what is happening at the end of the episode. But I felt a bit ripped off at the time, and that still lingers. I'm a dialog junkie (be glad you don't have to read the swill I think of as "My writing").

I like what we see of Spike's character as Randy, even as the writers use it to take a poke at the Angel storyline. I like that Joan and Umad related to one another as sisters. I find it telling that Xander and Anya take little notice of one another. It is so nice to see Buffy enjoying life, and being happy to be a superhero, as Joan. I feel for her when her memory is restored, and she is paralyzed by it.

The kiss at the end? Reminds me why I was all for B/S while this was going on. I was a bit afraid that knowing what happens in Seeing Red would neutralize the heat. It didn't, and I'm glad of that, too.


Steph L. - Oct 16, 2005 9:38:55 am PDT #2145 of 10459
I look more rad than Lutheranism

The kiss at the end? Reminds me why I was all for B/S while this was going on.

Right up there with my list of Hottest Kisses EVAR in the Buffyverse. (A list which includes Xander/Mummy Girl and Oz/Veruca. Guh.)


Topic!Cindy - Oct 16, 2005 9:41:52 am PDT #2146 of 10459
What is even happening?

Yeah. What did faith ask Buffy re Scott Hope? It was something along the lines of whether or not thinking of him "gives you that good, down low tickle?"

That kiss? Tickle tickle tickle. I'm surprised my original VHS tape didn't break in that very spot.