Right, Vortex, but those were back-door ways, rather than "Oh, yeah, here's the undo button" ways.
Played with Kaylee. Sun came out, and I walked on my feet and heard with my ears. I ate the bits, the bits stayed down, and I work. I function like I'm a girl. I hate it because I know it'll go away. The sun goes dark and chaos has come again. Bits. Fluids. What am I?!
River ,'War Stories'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
DebetEsse - Sep 13, 2005 3:06:59 pm PDT #2108 of 10459
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Topic!Cindy - Sep 13, 2005 4:16:46 pm PDT #2109 of 10459
What is even happening?
Yeah, but how much of an undo button is the complete happiness clause?
This is a creature who is now tortured all the time. His conscience stops him from doing what his nature (vampyric nature) is driving him to do (kill and eat people), while he feels guilty over all the people he has already killed. He's got an insatiable bloodlust, an insatiable conscience, and a horrific past. How is this vampire, who needs blood to stay alive, and wants to kill, almost as much as he does not want to kill supposed to reach this level of happiness?
DebetEsse - Sep 13, 2005 4:19:51 pm PDT #2110 of 10459
Woe to the fucking wicked.
I'm saying it seems like a technical undo button that you'd put there because there was some benefit to having a built-in undo button and a reduction of The Consequences of Magic is the best reason I can come up with.
Topic!Cindy - Sep 13, 2005 4:30:36 pm PDT #2111 of 10459
What is even happening?
Oh, I think I see the escape clause differently. I don't actually see it as an escape clause even, I just use those terms, because that's how it's always discussed.
To me, the soul-losing seems more like a result, rather than an undo button. In other words, it just happens. The curse fails if the vampire gets completely happy. The curse is fueled by vengeance, and the point of the curse--vengeance's aim--is to make the vampire suffer for his crimes for all eternity. If he gets happy, he defeats vengeance. Vengeance is the power that summoned the soul from the ether in the first place. Once it's defeated, the soul goes back out.
That probably makes no sense to anyone other than me.
edited to speak English good.
Strega - Sep 13, 2005 6:32:49 pm PDT #2112 of 10459
It makes total sense to me. Of course I agree, so I might be biased about the sense-making.
Wolfram - Sep 20, 2005 8:04:59 am PDT #2113 of 10459
Visilurking
Not really news, but Joss says the buffyverse will definitely be back on tv one day: [link]
ETA: Possible casting spoilers for Veronica Mars and Lost in the sidebar of that page.
sfmarty - Sep 20, 2005 11:57:39 am PDT #2114 of 10459
Who? moi??
Maybe it is the animated series...
§ ita § - Sep 20, 2005 12:11:05 pm PDT #2115 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Or maybe it's the Spike movie he spoke to Tim about.
Gris - Sep 20, 2005 12:43:06 pm PDT #2116 of 10459
Hey. New board.
Maybe it is the animated series
I hope so. It sounds better to me than any likely spinoffs (except maybe Ripper). Always has.
Jim - Sep 20, 2005 11:18:37 pm PDT #2117 of 10459
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!
Jesus, anything but a fucking spike movie. How long can they keep flogging that undead horse?