I don't think Connor was, strictly speaking, under contract. His re-creation was part of the terms of Angel's contract, but contracts pretty much have to be consented to, and there's no way any version of Connor would have signed anything like the W&R contract. The rest of the crew, however, are pretty much damned, post-mortality. W&R contracts don't break, or burn, as Wesley demonstrated, and all of them were holding VP level positions or better. My guess is that only Wes and Angel actually know this, though. None of the rest of them seem like the sort to read the fine print.
Anya, the Shopkeepers of America called. They wanted me to tell you that 'please go' just got replaced with 'have a nice day.'
Xander ,'Selfless'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
JoeCrow - Aug 28, 2005 12:55:48 pm PDT #1980 of 10459
"what's left when you take biology and sociology out of the picture?" "An autistic hermaphodite." -Allyson
brenda m - Aug 28, 2005 1:05:14 pm PDT #1981 of 10459
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
His re-creation was part of the terms of Angel's contract, but contracts pretty much have to be consented to, and there's no way any version of Connor would have signed anything like the W&R contract.
And I don't think there's any way Angel didn't make Connor's free-lance status a condition of the deal.
Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 28, 2005 1:28:49 pm PDT #1982 of 10459
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
For that matter, I don't see any of his associate's positions, which were all contingent on him signing, involving more than the usual power corrupts-style risks to their souls if Angel had anything to say about terms.
The Big Broody, however, may be left hoping that he can outlive the Senior Partners if he doesn't want a replay of the end of "Becoming, Pt. 2" when he dies.
brenda m - Aug 28, 2005 2:01:11 pm PDT #1983 of 10459
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
For that matter, I don't see any of his associate's positions, which were all contingent on him signing, involving more than the usual power corrupts-style risks to their souls if Angel had anything to say about terms.
I don't think he would deliberately go there, but his focus was so much on Connor at that point that I don't think that one's a given. He did choose on their behalf to make the deal and commence the mindwiping.
Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 28, 2005 2:12:11 pm PDT #1984 of 10459
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I also don't think it would have just been up to Angel - doesn't seem to me that Wesley, Gunn, and Lorne could have leins on their souls from contracts that were signed while their minds were being messed with at Angel's request. They'd still have to willingly barter their souls away for authority, power, or bling.
Strega - Aug 28, 2005 3:01:27 pm PDT #1985 of 10459
Well, the problem -- sorry, one of the problems -- with season 5 was that the premise changed. In "Home," Lilah says:
You win. We’re moving out. The Senior Partners are ceding this territory to you and to prove it, they want to give you controlling interests in our L.A. office. You get the building, assets, personnel, letterhead, paperclips, all of it. It’s yours to do with as you see fit.
She says several times that they can do whatever they want with all the goodies. And that it's a reward -- they're not being offered a job, they're being given a present. "We're leaving anyway, but here's some shiny stuff if you want it" was at least plausibly tempting. But then starting with "Conviction" they're just employees, they can't do whatever they want, and the SPs are still involved.
brenda m - Aug 28, 2005 3:05:03 pm PDT #1986 of 10459
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
Meta-wise, yeah. But, c'mon, Lilah. She's like the definition of the "unreliable narrator." Even reformed!Lilah. And she does say "LA office", not even the offices in this dimension or something that implies even more autonomy.
Daisy Jane - Aug 28, 2005 5:07:07 pm PDT #1987 of 10459
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."
See, I thought they were just the bosses of that W&H- but they had to turn a profit to keep the place running.
Strega - Aug 28, 2005 7:48:51 pm PDT #1988 of 10459
If they're agreeing to be employees, they've got nothing at stake if the company makes a profit or not. This is the conversation we should have seen: "If you do this, our stocks will plummet!" "Yes, and?" "You might get fired!" "Yes, and?" "The company will go out of business!" "Yes, and?" "..."
Why would any of those things matter to them at all? But they act like those are real concerns. The deal that they're offered in "Home" made some vague kind of sense from their point of view. The deal that we're supposed to pretend they agreed to in season 5 doesn't. If they agreed to it, they're morons. Which is a simple solution, but I don't think it's the one that we're supposed to arrive at.
Lee - Aug 28, 2005 7:52:49 pm PDT #1989 of 10459
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
This is the conversation we should have seen: "If you do this, our stocks will plummet!" "Yes, and?" "You might get fired!" "Yes, and?" "The company will go out of business!" "Yes, and?" "..."
Well, except for the fact that law firms aren't allowed to sell stock.
Of course, they don't have CEOs either.
t /law geek