Niska: Mr. Reynolds? You died, Mr. Reynolds. Mal: Seemed like the thing to do.

'War Stories'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 26, 2005 4:56:55 am PDT #1191 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Hey, you won't hear me defending Season 7. As far as I'm concerned, it only had three episodes: "Selfless," "Conversations with Dead People," and "Chosen." Oh, and a few minute-long 4-way split screen video titled "Him."


Topic!Cindy - Jun 26, 2005 5:33:14 am PDT #1192 of 10458
What is even happening?

I was probably easier on season 7 than you and a lot of Buffistas were. I do think the potentials flooded the ground where the main story should have (to my mind) taken place. That said, in addition to the episodes you've cited, I thought Lessons was a strong beginning. I love the hand-waving Giles did, to get rid of the magical crack part of Willow's storyline of season 6. It was a cheat, but a fulfilling one. And really, who can help but love an episode in which Giles asks, "Do you want to be punished?" I only take points off, because it made promises I felt the season didn't keep.

The last time I watched Lessons (I've barely touched my S7 DVDs) I thought about the Coven in Bath, where Willow went for healing, and the old I'm-now-the-only-one woman who appears out of the blue, in End of Days (she'd been among those who forged the scythe). If the coven had somehow tied into the scythe-making-hiding clan, we could have had some much needed continuity. I think season 7 suffered because the potentials took over time that should have gone to the core characters, and because continuity apparently only had a contract through season 4.

I loved Beneath You, even (especially) the scene with Spike on the cross. And despite what I've been saying about Willow re-entering the fold, I was so touched by the ending of Same Time, Same Place, with Buffy and Willow, and sufficiently creeped out by the Gnarl monster, that I actually really enjoyed it.

I still miss my show. I'm glad it ended, because it was going down hill, and I hated to see it. But I still miss it.


Noumenon - Jun 26, 2005 5:02:30 pm PDT #1193 of 10458
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti

I have the warmest feelings for Same Time, Same Place of any episode in the entire series. The density of continuity and character parallels in the Willow/Anya spell scene, crazy Spike's every line carrying meaning, funny Dawn paralysis, the creepy flesh eating and scary fairy tale taunting, the real friendship and bonding at the end, and the perfectly metaphorical monster -- I believe it was Jim E-T who said it first, but while Hush and Once More With Feeling are great stunts, this is the best episode that's just Buffy through and through.


Connie Neil - Jun 26, 2005 7:23:12 pm PDT #1194 of 10458
brillig

Crazy!Spike being revealed to be having two different conversations at the same time was a good touch. Plus there's "I'm crazy, what's his excuse?"


libkitty - Jun 27, 2005 9:03:12 pm PDT #1195 of 10458
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

I've been dark due to vacation with no computer two places and dial-up in the third, and just found this:

Any idea where I could get ahold of this marvel of marvels? [unaired BtVS pilot, etc]

I hate to beg, but please, please, please, could I borrow this?! There could be bribery involved.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 28, 2005 5:14:01 am PDT #1196 of 10458
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I think Joss suffers from this blind spot where once he thinks a character is great, EVERYONE MUST LOVE THEM. I've seen that happen with Willow, Spike, Fred, and River, and in my opinion only Willow has been redeemed to date—by the events of Season 6.

Hmm, I'm not sure I'd agree that River got to this point yet, though the danger was certainly there. If she'd ever gotten less crazy/broken, though, watch out for the flying cutesy debris.


§ ita § - Jun 28, 2005 5:16:01 am PDT #1197 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I never got the vibe Joss fell in love with Spike, so much as a) JM was hella fun to write for, which led to b) the audience getting a little attached. And then we were catered to.


Vortex - Jun 28, 2005 5:37:05 am PDT #1198 of 10458
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

And then we were catered to.

not all of us, unfortunately.


Connie Neil - Jun 28, 2005 5:39:13 am PDT #1199 of 10458
brillig

And then we were catered to

Yeah. I like catering.


Vortex - Jun 28, 2005 5:43:34 am PDT #1200 of 10458
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Yeah. I like catering.

oooh! mini quiches! there must be mini quiches!