Yes. Men like sports. Men watch the action movie, they eat of the beef, and enjoy to look at the bosoms. A thousand years of avenging our wrongs and that's all you've learned?

Xander ,'End of Days'


Boxed Set, Vol. II: "It's a Cookbook...A Cookbook!!"  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


§ ita § - Jan 06, 2006 5:34:18 am PST #6025 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Krull is no Beastmaster, that's for sure.


Fay - Jan 06, 2006 6:20:38 am PST #6026 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

I don't see that it's a particularly thoughtful or subtle mirror. It's all, "hey, the Genii are like the Taliban the way they hate us, let's have them do something awful and then we can have a morally-complex discussion about the appropriate response!"

It's a reflection of a certain type of American foreign policy, but not a reflection that really informs us particularly well. But then, neither did the Star Trek analogies.

Oh yes. I didn't mean to imply that it was a thoughtful or subtle mirror. But I think mirrors the simplistic & polarising Us/Them approach to otherness which Bush & co like to evoke with their "axis of evil"/ "war on terror" soundbites, in a way that, say Firefly or Farscape does not. I think it's fair to say that SG promotes a (shallow as hell, but then what percentage of viewers are remotely interested in American foreign policy and/or own a passport? And what percentage cheerfully accepts stereotypes of 'All Muslims are X', or 'All Europeans are X', or 'All Communists are X' etc? And what percentage bought Freedom Fries, or thought that Osama Bin Laden was directly connected with Iraq? Most viewers AREN'T particularly subtle or thoughtful or sophisticated) robust image of American Human interactions with non-Americans Aliens (some of whom are okay, some of whom are evil) in which America the Humans retain the moral highground, and our value system is better than the other guy's value system, and one doesn't need to REALLY worry about things like the Geneva Convention, because after all, we ARE the good guys.

I'm not trying to have a dig at educated or thoughtful Americans here, incidentally - but I pretty much assume (and this is where my Inner Severus Snape is showing) that most people are kind of dumb, and that most people aren't interested in foreign policy unless/until it has a negative impact upon their day-to-day life. I think George Bush's pre-Election schtick about how simple it was back in the days of the KlingonsCold War (when everyone knew who the Them was, and how it was all a bit more complex now, but that there was still a Them out there)...well, I think that struck a chord with a lot of people. And now, with terrorism becoming more of a reality for the US, the whole business of Go'aould hidden enemies, friends who can become enemies is a different paradigm.

I certainly don't think that SG is deep or thoughtful, or that it's consciously making much/any effort to reflect America's foreign policy - but I do think that these concerns bleed through into genre fiction and television.


Vortex - Jan 06, 2006 6:33:52 am PST #6027 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I watched Smallville last night, to catch the "Aqua" episode. I had forgotten just how gay this show is. I mean, after AC/Aquaman has been tied up and deprived of water, Clark comes in. Instead of untying the restraints and letting him get into the water that's two feet away, Clark turns on the sprinkers, thereby giving AC an opportunity to flex his (considerable) muscles and rip off the restraints, then stand there shirtless, getting soaked by the water. When asked if he was okay, his reply was . . . . "Wet and ready, bro!"

Not gay enough for you? Okay, at the end, during The Moment (tm) Clark says "Hope you stay out of trouble, AC" and AC replies "Hope that you get in some, Clark" and looks at him meaningfully. HOW GAY IS THAT?!?!?!


Fay - Jan 06, 2006 6:39:09 am PST #6028 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Ah, Smallville, how I love thee.

We're on, what, Season 4 now? 5? 69?


Vortex - Jan 06, 2006 6:40:12 am PST #6029 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Fay, once i figure out my new tivo configuration, I can burn you a DVD. you want?


sumi - Jan 06, 2006 6:46:36 am PST #6030 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Season 5. (Clark's in college!)


Emily - Jan 06, 2006 6:47:57 am PST #6031 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

(Clark's in college!)

You're shitting me.

I mean... I guess he'd have to, if it's really season 5 (on the other hand, I don't think it's really season 5. It can't be!) but... him?


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 06, 2006 6:49:47 am PST #6032 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Season 5. (Clark's in college!)

Wow, how did he pass the entrance exams?


Vortex - Jan 06, 2006 6:56:30 am PST #6033 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

a better question is, how does he explain going to college in Metropolis and still living in Smallville. It's three hours away!!


Emily - Jan 06, 2006 6:57:43 am PST #6034 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

It's three hours away!!

Maybe he takes a water taxi.

Cracks herself up...