Yeah -- the general superfluity of the non-human character. And the caricaturishness.
'Day' is a vestigial mode of time measurement based on solar cycles. It's not applicable. I didn't get you anything.
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Boxed Set, Vol. II: "It's a Cookbook...A Cookbook!!"
A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.
Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.
This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.
§ ita § - Oct 22, 2005 9:13:01 pm PDT #4940 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
beth b - Oct 22, 2005 10:31:44 pm PDT #4941 of 10001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!
but... I know peoplethat are like rygel...
thought I think what made him more puppet was that he moved around , but with out legs. Pilot didn't move - so the word puppet didn't scream
Betsy HP - Oct 23, 2005 8:34:47 am PDT #4942 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
I think Pilot's scale helps, and also that he has a job to do. Pilot is essential to their survival; Rygen is bitchy comedy relief.
If you point out that this also applies to Jool and Sikozu, I'm good with that.
DebetEsse - Oct 23, 2005 9:12:57 am PDT #4943 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Yeah, there was nothing wrong with Rygel that wasn't wrong with other characters. The thing, IMO, was that he was there from the start, and he was the only one really in that classification at the beginning. Everyone else was useful, and had some aspect of their character that was not off-putting, so the muppet-ness wasn't overtaken by the character-ness.
But, then, I had no issue with a puppet character, so I may not be the best one to figure it out.
Consuela - Oct 23, 2005 9:19:06 am PDT #4944 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
Speaking of Farscape, Birgit has added a couple of new vids to her site, including a simply marvelous one done to Elton John's "Rocket Man". [link]
Jessica - Oct 23, 2005 5:29:20 pm PDT #4945 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
The very early puppeteering on Rygel wasn't as smooth as Pilot's, and I think being able to see all of him made him more difficult to take seriously. At first, anyway. The only muppets I was never able to fully suspend disbelief for were the faux-Skeksies, and then only because I couldn't stop hearing "Skeksieeeeeees iiiiiiiiiin Spaaaaaaaaaaace!" in my head.
And Rygel was a useful negotiator at times. Not often enough to make anyone forget what an aggravating little shit he was the rest of the time, but he wasn't completely useless.
So, did anyone watch Threshold? Way to kill off someone I'd completely forgotten about until this episode! Even after the plane was shot down, I was left wondering "So who's gonna die?"
Kind of lame, but better than the alternatives.
Dana - Oct 23, 2005 5:31:06 pm PDT #4946 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Yeah, I was miffed about the preview, because first I spent the episode wondering who would die, and then I figured it out as soon as they realized the NSA was on the plane with the Bad!Senator.
I think the show does interesting things about uncomfortably crossing lines of things like, you know, civil liberties. I just wish I knew if it did those interesting things deliberately.
Jessica - Oct 23, 2005 5:38:54 pm PDT #4947 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I get the impression that, like 24, they're counting on their Extreme Danger Situation Unlike Anything In The Real World to allow them to gloss over things like that . (Though Brent Spiner's character provides some dissent, which is nice, even if he's not actually going to do anything about it.)
Emily - Oct 23, 2005 5:42:03 pm PDT #4948 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola
Wow. Sandra Oh saying "naughty nurses." My day is made.
Beverly - Oct 23, 2005 5:46:00 pm PDT #4949 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.
Can I just say how much I'm loving TiFaux? I regularly get involved in stuff and forget my shows are on. Like GA, right now. But I just glanced over, and my trusty dvr 'recording' light is lit, so I'm all lalala... I'll just watch you later, when I'm unoccupied and bored.
Okay, things about the 21st Century I like: indoor plumbing, antibiotics, dvr.