Um, well, we listened to aggressively cheerful music sung by people chosen for their ability to dance. Then we ate cookie dough, and talked about boys.

Giles ,'Get It Done'


Boxed Set, Vol. II: "It's a Cookbook...A Cookbook!!"  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Strega - Jul 18, 2005 6:31:04 am PDT #2109 of 10001

Nutty -- Hm. To me it seems like there are already qualifiers like "tends to" and "sometimes." And I don't know if it's fair to expect a summation of the history of SF in various media just to provide background to a behind-the-scenes piece about a TV show. If it bugs you because you don't think the show merits the praise, I do understand how that is; I still flinch when I read some claim that Buffy subverted horror clichés, because even at its best I don't think that's remotely true. But if the writer qualified every opinion with "some say" and "it could be argued that" and so on, that would be even more annoying.

If you got someone very clever to design a TV show just for me, you'd wind up with something very much like Battlestar Galactica. I'm wondering if it is ye olde plot vs. character issue again, because... I can see how the characters aren't all that likable, but that's not something I care about, so it doesn't even occur to me as an issue. Stargate could have the most fantastic, lovable, interesting characters ever devised in the history of mankind, and it still wouldn't appeal to me.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 18, 2005 6:34:21 am PDT #2110 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

...the short-lived but greatly-liked-by-me Good Vs. Evil, which featured Richard Brooks (AKA Jubal Early) and wackiness.

THAT'S where I knew him from! I always had a nagging sense of recognition about the actor, but the lack of 70s hair fooled me into thinking I'd just seen him in guest roles.


Nutty - Jul 18, 2005 6:53:09 am PDT #2111 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

But if the writer qualified every opinion with "some say" and "it could be argued that" and so on, that would be even more annoying.

Both of those phrases scream "I am reporting gossip as fact!" to me, so yes. Still, opinion reported as fact, without supporting data, is basically in the same category as gossip. And anyway, the point to me is that the article in question didn't need to make debatable assertions. It was a perfectly good article chronicling a difficult process of interpersonal and corporate negotiation, and very interesting, with a few unnecessary and distracting opinions thrown in.

If it bugs you because you don't think the show merits the praise

Well, that's not really it. It bugs me the way that "Madame Bovary is the first novel" bugs me -- it's not really fair to the history of the novel to make such an assertion, and if you're going to make that assertion, there are lots of novel-specialists who will really really want you to explain why you think so. (N.b. I have heard this assertion, and argued with it strenuously. It turned out she meant "the first modern novel, where 'modern' means exploring the interiority of bourgeois boredom," but it required fighting words to get to the refinement of her original thesis.)

I think there could be a lot of things to like about BSG, but there are a lot of things to unlike, and I can't get past those. For example: if you have an enemy captive, and want to know what makes him tick, and have no compunction about doing cruel things to him, why not run him through a standard battery of psych and neuro tests? Especially if there is such powerful interest in a differential test that will prove human from non-human.

(To answer my own question, the show doesn't want to expose aspects of what cylons are like yet. But, that's not a good reason for the characters not to think of it.)

(I mean, you could have a nice gruesome scene in which a cylon is stuffed into an MRI for a brainscan, and is promptly torn to pieces by its magnetic field. Talk about your traumatic research!)


Betsy HP - Jul 18, 2005 7:41:30 am PDT #2112 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

When we've got Cylon on the ceiling.... (dah, dah, da-dah!)


tommyrot - Jul 18, 2005 7:50:01 am PDT #2113 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Oh what a feeling / When we got Cylon on the ceiling


Jessica - Jul 18, 2005 7:53:44 am PDT #2114 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Since I don't know the song you're singing, my brain is turning it into OMWF.

They got...the Cylon...OUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT! (They got the Cyyyyylooon ouuuuuuuut!)


tommyrot - Jul 18, 2005 8:03:11 am PDT #2115 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

There needs to be a musical episode of BSG. Since they can't really blame magic for making everybody sing... maybe there can be a computer virus that infects all the Cylons and makes them sing.

I just wanna be myself
I just wanna be myself
I just wanna be myself
Be myself
Be myself

I'm all alone, so are we all
We're all clones
All are one and one are all
All are one and one are all


DXMachina - Jul 18, 2005 8:05:45 am PDT #2116 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Send in the clones, there ought to be clones...


Betsy HP - Jul 18, 2005 8:07:08 am PDT #2117 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together


tommyrot - Jul 18, 2005 8:10:00 am PDT #2118 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I am the Boomer. I am the Boomer. I am the Cylon. Goo goo g'joob