I need my Momoa.
But? There's always a but. When this is over, can we have a big 'but' moratorium?
Fred ,'Smile Time'
Boxed Set, Vol. II: "It's a Cookbook...A Cookbook!!"
A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.
Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.
This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.
§ ita § - Jul 16, 2005 8:37:40 pm PDT #2073 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Nutty - Jul 17, 2005 4:52:47 pm PDT #2074 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Also about the "reinvention" of SciFi from its Star Trek conventions. No mention of Firefly's contribution to this.
I read that article. And, really, great article about television producing and fandom-wrangling. Had absolutely nothing to justify its assertion about "reinventing" science fiction, even science fiction on television. That might be a worthwhile article to write -- it would be required to mention quite a few other series in addition to Firefly -- but that's not it.
(For one thing, if you're going to reinvent SF, military-in-space is not the new direction to go in. For another, what hellacious alternate space-faring civilization could do all that good yet still manage to invent pantyhose?)
Strega - Jul 17, 2005 5:16:03 pm PDT #2075 of 10001
I'm not seeing anything in that article that claims the show is reinventing science fiction. It does say
it is not like any science-fiction show on television today.which seems reasonably accurate to me.
tommyrot - Jul 17, 2005 5:19:14 pm PDT #2076 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
I'm not seeing anything in that article that claims the show is reinventing science fiction.
Well, that's just my poor attempt to summarize the article. Or else maybe I was remembering the commentary for the BSG miniseries....
eta: OK, I googled - the phrase "reinventing scifi" gets tossed about a lot in discussion of the new BSG, especially by people promoting the show. But that word doesn't show up in that NYT article.
Nutty - Jul 17, 2005 5:31:00 pm PDT #2077 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Possibly what Tommy is thinking of (anyway, what I was thinking of) were offhand sentences like these:
Science fiction is a genre that, for all its imaginative expansiveness, tends also to be very conservative; its fans sometimes defend its cliches fiercely. ''Battlestar Galactica'' upends sci-fi cliches.
How Moore and Eick came to transform that show into one of the most original and provocative programs on television is strange.
The former is vastly debatable -- actually, it would make a really great debate, (actually two, depending on whether or not written fiction is allowable as discussion fodder) -- and deserves better context and more evidentiary support. The latter just annoys me with its cliche, blanket enthusiasm.
§ ita § - Jul 17, 2005 9:02:38 pm PDT #2078 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Suddenly I find myself among meatspace people who like Sci Fi Friday. It's very peculiar. Having to defend the Momoa casting (my justifications may be retrofitted, but I'm okay with that) or the Apollo characterisation (I think that Starbuck is a better son for Adama, and I find that interesting, not a failing) is so very strange.
I'm not used to looking people in the face for those discussions.
I did learn that the role on SG1 that Colin auditioned for was Cameron Mitchell, and felt good consoling him that he had no chance in hell, and not to take it personally. What cracked me up, though, was the revelation that he was friends with Hewlett, and thinks he rocks. So, there you go -- validation on the DH from a guy who's apparently very nice. Or, nicer than me. Whichever.
Gus - Jul 17, 2005 9:28:35 pm PDT #2079 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.
Between BSG and Aquarium, people want to talk about Aquarium.
t throws up hands
The world has become to strange to me.
tommyrot - Jul 17, 2005 9:29:53 pm PDT #2080 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
It's the age of Aquarium.
Gus - Jul 17, 2005 9:49:27 pm PDT #2081 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.
"What is your sign?"
"Aquarium. What's yours?"
"SeaWorld."
arby - Jul 18, 2005 1:45:06 am PDT #2082 of 10001
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)
Sorry, BSG leaves me cold. (I blame Six - when I saw all the sex with Baltar I was like, 'oh, so that's the kind of show this is'. I could just see how it was going to be a major plotline and I was tired of it after about 5 minutes.) The only one I like on the show at all is Starbuck.