Mercy is the mark of a great man. Guess I'm just a good man. Well, I'm all right.

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Boxed Set, Vol. II: "It's a Cookbook...A Cookbook!!"  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Nutty - Jul 08, 2005 10:52:06 am PDT #1762 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

You could also argue that the creators and writers need a good week at the Michigan Womyns Festival, or to be ritually beaten with wet spaghetti, or to be stuffed into 3-inch heels and made to walk ten miles.

You can argue a lot of things.


Jessica - Jul 08, 2005 11:01:09 am PDT #1763 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I love Six. So there.


§ ita § - Jul 08, 2005 11:03:43 am PDT #1764 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I love Six too. She has a mix of sex and menace I find very appealing. She could snap Baltar like a twig, and he likes it.


tommyrot - Jul 08, 2005 11:08:18 am PDT #1765 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I guess it comes down to the question of, is she there just to provide titillation for the audience, or does her presence make some narrative sense. Sometimes I like her, sometimes she annoys me, but I think she fits in the series - unlike the completely gratuitous "decontamination gel" scene in Enterprise, which made me never watch that show again.


Dana - Jul 08, 2005 11:31:54 am PDT #1766 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Fay, check out the pictures from a con that someone posted in LJ Tricia Hefler is in a fairly sedate top and skirt and looks lovely, I think.

unlike the completely gratuitous "decontamination gel" scene in Enterprise, which made me never watch that show again.

You know, by the end of the series, I was kind of missing the decon chamber. It was so gratuitous.

Speaking of which, did anyone else actually watch the last ep of Enterprise? Because, if so, Trip DID NOT DIE. Stupid-ass Berman and Braga. They'd have done better to end the show at the previous episode.


§ ita § - Jul 08, 2005 11:38:39 am PDT #1767 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I didn't mind the ending of Enterprise, but then again, I never got attached to it, so I didn't see the addition of Riker and Troi to the finale as cheapening the show's integrity.

The death was a bit of a waste too, but it was much better than I was expecting.


JenP - Jul 08, 2005 11:48:19 am PDT #1768 of 10001

I think her ability to persuade Baltar now (as opposed to before the attack where, yes, seduction was her manipulation of choice) lies primarily in her ability to kill him with her brain (Or his brain. Whatever.), or kill him by manipulating others, or by stopping his heart, or what have you. Her arsenal of how to make Baltar do what she wants is not limited to sex. Practically speaking, he seems to do all right on his own, so you really wouldn't want that to be all there is to it if you were writing her, I'd think.

Also, I'd imagine the worship complex is programmed in. Well, and the tall, skinny, pretty, blond part, which doesn't seem like an illogical choice to me. If I were making robots, I'd like them to be aesthetically pleasing, and she's a version of that. So are Boomer and Leoban. Hell, if I were making a robot version of me, it'd be leaner and meaner even if I weren't planning to use it to infiltrate and annihilate the human race. Which I... would not do. Also, there would be no gray hair.

Or, short version: I like her, too.


brenda m - Jul 08, 2005 12:01:56 pm PDT #1769 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I think her ability to persuade Baltar now (as opposed to before the attack where, yes, seduction was her manipulation of choice) lies primarily in her ability to kill him with her brain (Or his brain. Whatever.), or kill him by manipulating others, or by stopping his heart, or what have you.

By and large, though, isn't she still mostly in seduction mode? She can threaten him (and follow through, apparently) when he balks. Mostly, it doesn't come to that, because she generally manipulates by stroking his ego. And some other parts.


Fay - Jul 08, 2005 12:12:15 pm PDT #1770 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

What, you have a problem with a tall, skinny, blonde, buttfloss-wearing robot sex-toy villain-vixen with a worship complex, whose persuasive skillset seems to coincide with her blowjob skillset? Who are you, Betty Freidan or something??

Ha! Actually, I don't have a big problem with the idea of Six. Well, I mean, yes, it's blatantly a 'Look, watch our show, there's a hot blonde!' motivation going on there above and beyond the character's ostensible reasons for existing, but that's a different issue. I don't mind buying the idea that the Cylons would have a SexBot as one of their standard models, given that each of their models seems to exist for a particular reason, and Six is pretty good at scaring the shit out of Baltar as well as seducing him into doing things. I'm cool with that. I really like the whole New!Cylons thing, actually, not least because of the fact that they're monotheists, whilst the actual humans are polytheists. I think it's all pretty cool, and the whole Science/Faith dichotomy is very interesting. So's the whole AI thing.

No, I just think she usually looks profoundly un -sexy on the show, which seems to be the opposite of the intention. Whereas she does look very nice in the picture Dana provided, so clearly she can look beautiful, rather than odd. But maybe they want her to look odd and plasticy. Huh. Not sure about that.

Re: the pics - good lord, it's quite the reversal of the norm on the show, isn't it? Tricia is well dressed, and everyone else looks like they got attacked by a team of fashionistas from The House Elf Eye for the Muggle Guy (and Gal).

And yet I still find Jamie and Mary utterly shaggable. Huh.


tommyrot - Jul 08, 2005 12:14:01 pm PDT #1771 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

No, I just think she usually looks profoundly un -sexy on the show

I thought she was sexy in the mini-series. In the series, NSM.