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Boxed Set, Vol. II: "It's a Cookbook...A Cookbook!!"  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


DCJensen - May 14, 2005 6:00:26 am PDT #1159 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

When I was listening to Kinsey, I was thinking "Yeah? And we had some troubles with all that coming to the Americas from the European continent, but it happened, and we're dealing with it."

The djin is out of the bottle, and whining about opening it isn't all that constructive.

ETA: or what ita said.


§ ita § - May 14, 2005 6:18:18 am PDT #1160 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What is Rommie? Andromeda::Rommie as Ship::AI?

Then what's the personality on Andromeda herself called? I mean -- isn't it a tri-fold entity? Is it ship, personality of ship, robot?


Betsy HP - May 14, 2005 6:34:25 am PDT #1161 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I was under the impression that Rommie is to Andromeda as the projections of Pilot in the clamshells are to Pilot. Same person, just differently expressed.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 14, 2005 6:36:18 am PDT #1162 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Wouldn't that whole mess with Doyle indicate that the Rommie android/robot does have some individual identity apart from the larger ship's consciousness?


§ ita § - May 14, 2005 6:41:15 am PDT #1163 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Rommie has disagreed with Andromeda on many occasions, so she's not just an expression. She even fell in love -- wasn't she going to leave?


Nutty - May 14, 2005 7:09:14 am PDT #1164 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

then I get grumpy, because he gets the "oh, really under all that he's vulnerable!" fannish edit

I have never watched enough of the show to have a strong opinion of the matter, but I was watching one night when McKay said, "I don't know if you've noticed, but I'm an extremely arrogant man. Of course I think it's going to work."

Which made me laugh and laugh. Most of the extremely arrogant people I know are totally unaware that they're arrogant.


§ ita § - May 14, 2005 7:16:42 am PDT #1165 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Maybe he went to McGill. All of my co-alumni seem to cop calmly to it.


Betsy HP - May 14, 2005 7:18:17 am PDT #1166 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I own a T-shirt that says on the front "Arrogant" and on the back "...and proud of it."

It's from a former employer.


Consuela - May 14, 2005 7:21:50 am PDT #1167 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Which made me laugh and laugh. Most of the extremely arrogant people I know are totally unaware that they're arrogant.

Heee. That's Rodney McKay Ver. 2.1, though: post-Russia, and post-all the other stuff that happened in SGA Season 1. He's gained a fair amount of self-knowledge in the last few years.

ita's got a point, but it's really hard to critique what might have happened in the context of the show. What we know happened had the Earth nearly get destroyed several times as a direct result of (a) opening the gate at all; (b) SG-1's actions once the gate was opened.

I do wish we got more sensible discussion in the context of the show about things like public knowledge and consent, as Katie mentioned. But then I've spent ten years in a field premised on public participation in government decision-making, so my perspective is likely to be a bit off-center.


§ ita § - May 14, 2005 11:29:25 am PDT #1168 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I've watched the Enterprise finale, and I think it was way better than the series had earned. I liked the nods to what had come before/would come to be. I wish I could remember more about the framing device, but still.

It made me sad there'd be no Trek on TV, and I sure wasn't expecting that.

Bits of it seemed a little aimless -- I'd have upped the Trip ante, and done something different with the rest of the human regulars.

I've also watched the Andromeda finale, and it was exactly the show the series has earned in the last few years. Maudlin, pretentious, confusing and dumb.