It's simple. I slap 'em around a bit, torture 'em, make their lives hell...Sure, the nice guys'll run away,but every now and then you'll find a prince like Spike who gets off on it.

Buffy ,'Get It Done'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Atropa - Jul 06, 2006 12:10:44 pm PDT #7748 of 10001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Help! Nested parenthetical statements: okay if someone writes in a very ... mannered, filled with asides style? Or should they be avoided at all costs?

(I'm thinking of turning one paragraph, that already has some parenthetical statements, into one large aside. I suspect my brain has started to shrink and rattle around my skull.)


Fay - Jul 06, 2006 12:14:29 pm PDT #7749 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Well, I favour them, but I suspect they appeal to only a limited audience. For maximum clarity and accessibility, I'd probably recommend varying it with dashes, or apostrophes, or SOMETHING else (even though I quite understand the temptation [irresistible at times] to use at least two [if not three {or even four, were it but viable}] different kinds of parentheses).


Topic!Cindy - Jul 06, 2006 12:16:25 pm PDT #7750 of 10001
What is even happening?

Jilli, it's hard to tell without reading it, but if by "nesting" you mean parens within parens, I think I would avoid them when I could, although regular use of parens for asides would be fine.

You could always begin the particular paragraph you mention above with: "On a side note" or "As an aside" or even "Aside:" and then parenthesize (is too a word) the bits you would have otherwise nested.


Ginger - Jul 06, 2006 12:19:31 pm PDT #7751 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Even I, a parentheses addict in casual typing, try to stay away from the nested parentheses. They're very testy when they're nesting.


Topic!Cindy - Jul 06, 2006 12:29:01 pm PDT #7752 of 10001
What is even happening?

(When I said it was hard to tell, I meant hard to say where your particular paragraph [which might be one big aside] was concerned.)


Atropa - Jul 06, 2006 4:53:13 pm PDT #7753 of 10001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Okay, slightly clueless question time (and yes, I've e-mailed my agent, but I'm betting she won't be able to get back to me until Monday).

My notes from the conversation with her say my sample chapters should be 10-20 pages. Is that 10-20 pages by how MS Word counts pages? Or could any of you peoples with more publishing experience than me give me a rough estimate for a wordcount for non-fiction samples?


SailAweigh - Jul 06, 2006 5:15:34 pm PDT #7754 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Since Teppy hasn't had a chance to post a new challenge yet, I'ma take the opportunity to post another drabble.

The Midden

The edges of the vortex were delineated with motes. They spiraled upward in a slow dance of discovery, drawn into an event horizon they could not understand. The motes floated at first, with no apparent direction. As the pull grew stronger they resisted it by zigging and zagging, an unequal struggle against a timeless compulsion. Every now and then, one managed to break away for mere seconds before being drawn relentlessly toward the gaping maw. But they all lost the battle in the end.

I walked over; beneath the light I found a midden of insect corpses, shattered and burnt.


deborah grabien - Jul 06, 2006 5:18:57 pm PDT #7755 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Jilli, when I'm given that page count - "you should be ready to send Ruth between 50 - 75 pages to start the contract clock ticking" - I always assume it's the page count used in my Word ms default layout.

That runs about 240 a page mostly, although usually about 230 for my stuff, for whatever reason. But yes, the double-spaced, header with page number, 21 lines of text per or whatever it is.

Kate loved the proposal I sent. She says it's fabulous and she can't wait to read the book. So I sent it on to Daymond.

Meep.

She also thinks I should prepare to have a good-sized chunk done by October. No problem. I'm figuring between a third and one-half of Fly ready to shop to editors.


Typo Boy - Jul 07, 2006 11:21:59 am PDT #7756 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

OK - just heard from the publisher who was reviewing my stuff. Wants more chapters to review (not the whole thing - just certain ones in the table of contents). The editor is leaving for vacation until the 19th. So I'm going to have to wait until the 20th or 21st for a response. No stress there.


deborah grabien - Jul 07, 2006 2:56:37 pm PDT #7757 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Hoo boy. Gar, hang in - if they hated it, they wouldn't have asked for more.

But it's maddening, I know. Believe me, I know.