Now you can luxuriate in a nice jail cell, but if your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty flowered bonnet, I will end you.

Mal ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


deborah grabien - Feb 16, 2005 12:08:00 pm PST #7 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Obviously it's a little more important when it's something like making sure your kid is healthy, but even with writing, it's always helpful to have someone you know and trust as an example, or an ear.

Yes, this this this. And with time passage, I would imagine most people develop or hone the ability to do the wheat/chaff thing, and to separate the wanking of an individual hobbyhorse from the bellybumping.

I don't read the books, the same way I never read the parenting books (full circle). When it comes to writing, I never felt the need; I was able to do it, and I had beta readers and WIP editors I trusted to tell me if shit was going wrong, and the best editor to ever wear shoe leather to tell me the same.

And now, honestly, out the door. Making Kinko's rich, here.


Nutty - Feb 16, 2005 12:09:02 pm PST #8 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

In general, in matters of evaluation, the problem is that across the board the people who are best at things do not perceive themselves as above average, while people who are the worst at things think they're very good.

(Exceptions made for sports figures, who all know it when they're very good, much to my annoyance.)

So someone who gives shit advice can get away with it for a long time before someone else points out he's wrong, simply because the first someone is totally sure he's right, and the second person is cautious enough to doubt.


§ ita § - Feb 16, 2005 12:09:30 pm PST #9 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

even with writing, it's always helpful to have someone you know and trust as an example, or an ear.

Helpful, but not always possible, and often terrifying. If you're sensible and realise that there's no one true way about any of the arts, I think copious reading can be very useful.

If you're not sensible, then all the humans in the world mightn't help.


deborah grabien - Feb 16, 2005 12:10:30 pm PST #10 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Gah! (pumping another quarter in the slot)

Parenting support groups are not equal to people I know and trust on the subject.

I think we define parenting support groups differently, love. Mine, in the UK, was a group of parents with infants ranging between a week and about six months old, plus one "social counsellor" (provided by the state, with our UK tax dollars) and one "pediatric professional".

I'm beginning to sense parent support groups here aren't the same...


deborah grabien - Feb 16, 2005 12:13:34 pm PST #11 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

If you're sensible and realise that there's no one true way about any of the arts, I think copious reading can be very useful.

Probably true. But if it terrifies you (the universal you, not you specifically), that's something to confront early; publishing a novel comes with everyone criticising it. And if you're sensible about it, copious reading can be disastrous. It's one reason I read almost no fiction when I'm in mid-book; I don't want the voice changing. My editor is paying for that voice, and she loves it, and I'm-a keeping it.

Full circle, again: if Terry Pratchett took that no-adverb advice to heart, he'd have a different voice and he'd probably be selling insurance for a living.


Connie Neil - Feb 16, 2005 12:14:32 pm PST #12 of 10001
brillig

If you're not sensible, then all the humans in the world mightn't help.

Words to live by.

And a new writing thread. Wow.


Beverly - Feb 16, 2005 12:14:43 pm PST #13 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

In general, in matters of evaluation, the problem is that across the board the people who are best at things do not perceive themselves as above average, while people who are the worst at things think they're very good.

(snip) So someone who gives shit advice can get away with it for a long time before someone else points out he's wrong, simply because the first someone is totally sure he's right, and the second person is cautious enough to doubt.

This should be put on a damn bronze plaque somewhere. Multiple somewheres.


deborah grabien - Feb 16, 2005 12:16:39 pm PST #14 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

There's also the fact that the shit advice might be pure gold for one out of every hundred readers, while the other 99 are being screwed by it. Again, totally subjective. Wheat, chaff, skill, needed.


Scrappy - Feb 16, 2005 12:22:13 pm PST #15 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Also, even brilliant writing advice is useless if you have no talent.


ChiKat - Feb 16, 2005 12:22:58 pm PST #16 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Also, even brilliant writing advice is useless if you have no talent.

Well, damn. There goes that.