This isn't a come-on. I'm in a very serious relationship with a landscape architect.

Oliver ,'Conviction (1)'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


deborah grabien - Nov 20, 2005 8:20:08 am PST #4944 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Allyson, backsent, bebe. My feeling is that you need the connection right upfront. Open with it. The awkward bits, such as they are, are right there near the beginning. If you have the theme right there at the start, the first half becomes history rather than exposition.

Still amazes how you find the language to write about music so well

Amy, there are days when I wish I could just shut the fuck up about it, already. Not likely to happen anytime soon, though. (edit: and if I did shut up, I wouldn't be writing Kinkaid. Meh.)

We're off to Napa for wine and olive oil and stuff. I'm-a take a break and start chapter eight tomorrow.


Amy - Nov 20, 2005 8:43:09 am PST #4945 of 10001
Because books.

Allyson, backflung. Really powerful essay. I think I said pretty much what Deb said above, if I'm reading her comments right. You just need to clarify where you're going in the essay a little sooner, I think.

What I need to do is Outline X, and state that to prove X I have to prove A, B, C etc in the INTRODUCTION.

That sounds right, although your explanation was confusing to me, but I'm awful at math and logic stuff, so I kept getting lost.

t /dumb

Amy, there are days when I wish I could just shut the fuck up about it, already.

Nah. Like you said, then no Kincaid. And I am a firm believer in writing what wants out.


Allyson - Nov 20, 2005 8:55:18 am PST #4946 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Thanks so much to both of you!

Yes, Virginia, there really is a thesis statement. Duh.

I'm going back to Composition 101.

I feel like one of those people who calls tech support, hysterical, and when the help desk person comes all the way down to check the problem, finds that the computer is not plugged in.

smacks forehead

And sorry for not proofing before sending. Again, smacks forehead.


erikaj - Nov 20, 2005 8:55:44 am PST #4947 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I've got a deadline tomorrow, typing up this interview...don't wanna. My honeymoon with the new "gig" did not last long. Blah. Tired of busting my butt for no dead presidents so twelve people can read it. Tired of over-enthusiastic crip chicks and their forty-seven !!! about everything. Tired of always being the loose cannon new guy everywhere I go. Tired of reading people that can't write(Not my interview subject...she is talented and articulate, just the boredom spilling over.) Does not befit the second coming of Leigh Brackett.(/faux flouncing) They don't know what genius rolls among them, that's all.


Allyson - Nov 20, 2005 8:57:02 am PST #4948 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Tired of over-enthusiastic crip chicks and their forty-seven !!! about everything.

I just choked on coffee. I want to tag it.


Amy - Nov 20, 2005 8:59:01 am PST #4949 of 10001
Because books.

Yes, Virginia, there really is a thesis statement. Duh.

That's what always been challenging for me about writing nonfiction, Allyson -- it's not just you. Fiction is a lot easier, in a way, at least for me.

And it's all there, which is the thing. Some of it is just a little obscured.

They don't know what genius rolls among them, that's all.

But we know!


Allyson - Nov 20, 2005 9:04:19 am PST #4950 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I've been thinking about a television series I'd love to pitch, and the bones are all there, but I find that the meat of it, the characters with their voices that should be so different from mine, is impossible for me to do.

I can't write fiction. At all. It's a different sort of imagination, and I'm rather embarassed to say, I think it's a character flaw on my part.

Writing essays seems an excercise in arrogance. Look at my life and how I see things. Me me me me me. Isn't it so interesting? Am I not just the most special girl?

Add to that my supreme feelings of worthlessness and what you get is insanity in paragraph form.


Amy - Nov 20, 2005 9:11:38 am PST #4951 of 10001
Because books.

Isn't it so interesting? Am I not just the most special girl?

Add to that my supreme feelings of worthlessness and what you get is insanity in paragraph form.

I actually totally get that. I've written personal essays from time to time, and I actually have an idea for a book I'd love to do, but I always get stopped cold by the idea that no one will care. I grew up white, middle-class, decently educated, with nary an alcoholic or incident of abuse in my family, you know?

Which, now that I think about it, is not precisely what you were describing, but anyway. What you said reminded me of Buffy's conversation with Holden, actually -- the superiority/inferiority part.


deborah grabien - Nov 20, 2005 9:23:31 am PST #4952 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

I can't write fiction. At all. It's a different sort of imagination

Well, it isn't as if you don't know fiction writers. Fiction writers, if they're worth their salt, begin with the voice and take it from there. Suggest a collaboration to one/some/all, maybe? And while you're collaborating, you can maybe kick down that damned door, the one that leaves you thinking you don't have anything interesting to say.

Writing essays seems an excercise in arrogance. Look at my life and how I see things. Me me me me me.

But memememe is you sharing something that may open other doors for other people. It's you distilling the essence of something, something in the bright lights or in the basic dailiness (I love Robin's phrase and may have to steal it) that will resonate, echo, ping with someone who picks up your essay, says huh, what's she on about, WHOA, yes, that's right. If you do it right, your mememe becomes themthemthem. And that's what writing - essay or fiction - is supposed to do.

Isn't it so interesting? Am I not just the most special girl?

Yes, to both. And see above - the point isn't that you're special, it's that you just let someone reading get through the tollgate for free, so they could find their own road.


Typo Boy - Nov 20, 2005 9:28:35 am PST #4953 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yes, Virginia, there really is a thesis statement. Duh.

I think I shall print this out in 64 point type and hang it above my computer monitor.

ETA: But I may tie it onto a cluestick and thwap myself over the head a few times with it first.