River: They weren't cows inside. They were waiting to be, but they forgot. Now they see the sky and they remember what they are. Mal: Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

'Safe'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


deborah grabien - Nov 06, 2005 9:05:49 am PST #4805 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Hell, I live by seat-of-pantsing, and it gets very surprising, sometimes; I didn't expect Charlotte in Matty Groves to be the way she was, at all. And Mac is turning out to be an incredibly interesting,a nd different, character than I thought he would be.

But it's damned tricky when your editor is sitting there, tapping their wristwatch and going, ahem.....?

Cruel Sister was my first deadline ever. Hate the teeshirt.


erikaj - Nov 06, 2005 9:14:18 am PST #4806 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I think deadlines are like an homage to the redballs of my previous life. need the pressure. Need at least a vague one or I might not do anything. My clearance rate's getting good now, even if I'm lacking the green that is supposed to turn cases from red to black.


Connie Neil - Nov 06, 2005 11:05:38 am PST #4807 of 10001
brillig

I have a characterization question. How do I make a sympathetic character out of someone whose worldview I find pathetic/apalling? Particularly, using their POV.


Amy - Nov 06, 2005 11:28:06 am PST #4808 of 10001
Because books.

Connie, think about attractive villains. What about Hannibal Lechter? He's a cannibal, for heaven's sake, but lots of readers/viewers were, if not precisely *sympathetic*, at least interested in him as a character, and not just as a villain.


erikaj - Nov 06, 2005 12:16:51 pm PST #4809 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

We all want the same stuff, Connie. Love, respect, security, control over the environment, but Snidely Whiplash uses the tie-somebody-to-the tracks methods.


dcp - Nov 06, 2005 1:04:52 pm PST #4810 of 10001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

connie, how about the "there, but for the grace of God, go I" ploy?


Connie Neil - Nov 06, 2005 4:31:15 pm PST #4811 of 10001
brillig

Oddly enough, I can cope with evil. It's whiners and weaklings who baffle me.


deborah grabien - Nov 06, 2005 5:40:14 pm PST #4812 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

connie, just make him - or her - human.

The thing about portraying humanity, in all its shades of grey - rather than the traditional white hat - black hat extremes - is that something will resonate somewhere.

The thing about a well-written character is this: they take the reader's face and turn it, not toward the light or the darkness, but toward the mirror. Something will resonate - and there's your sympathy.


Susan W. - Nov 06, 2005 7:57:02 pm PST #4813 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

t not really here

connie, does he know he's weak and/or whiny (occasionally some of us are that self-aware), or does he justify his worst behaviors and most appalling beliefs as really being courageous, just, and honorable?

I've been using the What Would Joss Do? technique for villains and reminding myself that they think they're the heroes of the story. Well, except for this one that I just made kinda batshit crazy, but he only appears for two chapters and I'm OK with having him be more plot device than person.

t /still not really here


deborah grabien - Nov 07, 2005 10:42:14 am PST #4814 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Teppy! Monday!

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