Dawn: I thought you were adequate. Giles: And the accolades keep pouring in. I'd best take my leave before my head swells any larger. Good night.

'First Date'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


erikaj - Oct 21, 2005 9:19:34 am PDT #4643 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

That too...that was you, right?


Allyson - Oct 21, 2005 9:24:07 am PDT #4644 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I don't think so. I mean, I could have come up with the name Lance Steelcock somewhere, but I have no recollection of it and don't want to take credit for anyone else's phallus.


Steph L. - Oct 21, 2005 10:14:56 am PDT #4645 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Allyson, there's a quote by you in the BRQG about how you refer to all romance novel heroes as Lance Steelcock.


Helena Handbasket - Oct 21, 2005 10:57:12 am PDT #4646 of 10001
Smart people can be stupid too

Hi, my name is Helen. I am fairly new to Buffistas and I find myself nervously de-lurking to ask a (vaguely) writing related question (I apologise if my doing so is in any way an imposition)

A close friend of mine recently asked me to read a piece of her writing (written for a second year philosophy class). She had already handed it in and was nervous about it so my assumpion is that she gave it to me seeking some sort of ego pat.

My problem is this: the essay/ story is, to put it bluntly, quite bad. It's awkwardly written and I really dont think it will be well recieved by the prof. (it is creative and incredibly amusing but I doubt these attributes will do much to redeem it in an academic setting).

If anyone has any suggestions as to how I can be a good friend and reassure her without also being a bad friend and shortchanging her (in the sense of giving a useless and/ or dishonest opinion) I will be forever grateful (and, again, please just ignore this if I am imposing).

(I will be off-line for the next couple of hours -- commuting home from work -- so I wont be able to read/ respond to any advice until later tonight)


Susan W. - Oct 21, 2005 11:08:35 am PDT #4647 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Helen, I'd start off by praising what you like--the creativity, the funny--and praising it highly. Then I'd pick one or two areas for improvement, preferably ones that are concrete and easy to explain, and say something along the lines of, "If you want to make your writing stronger for future works..." and give specific ideas of how to fix the problems.


Nutty - Oct 21, 2005 11:11:48 am PDT #4648 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Helena Handbasket

Oh, yay! Love the name. (We used to joke, "I been looking all over hell 'n' creation!" "And I bet Helen smacked you, didn't she?")

What to do about a bad essay? It being completed, suggesting edits is out the window. It's still possible to say, "I wonder if your prof will take it in the way you intend it," and other long-view advice, though.

Also, you've already said something nice about it:

it is creative and incredibly amusing

Tell her that, first.


Ginger - Oct 21, 2005 11:15:54 am PDT #4649 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

There's always, "My, what an essay!"


Allyson - Oct 21, 2005 11:22:36 am PDT #4650 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Allyson, there's a quote by you in the BRQG about how you refer to all romance novel heroes as Lance Steelcock.

Huh.


deborah grabien - Oct 21, 2005 12:04:46 pm PDT #4651 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Anyone who can come up with Lance Steelcock deserves cookies.

Helena, I edit a fair bit and I've ended up with a few of those moments (mercifully few). They're never fun. I'm nodding along with Nutty and Susan, but if this was me, I'd probably add something along the lines of "truthfully, I'm not sure the way you've executed the premise is going to get you the result you're hoping for".


Helena Handbasket - Oct 21, 2005 5:54:33 pm PDT #4652 of 10001
Smart people can be stupid too

Thanks so much for all of the advice. I'm feeling more like I can talk to my friend (whom I have been carefully avoiding) again and, more importantly, like I can actually help her to improve her writing without offending or causing needless angst.

"I been looking all over hell 'n' creation!" "And I bet Helen smacked you, didn't she?"

heh I've never heard that one but I'm always in favour of Helen puns (there are so many -- I once met a Helen who insisted on being called "Helen Wheels").