Oh, I'm going to start as soon as I hand off Annabel to Dylan for bath and bedtime. But I do know there will be a lot of work. Something hasn't been coming through right in Anna's characterization; that much is clear, because practically all my CPs have trouble understanding her--though some think she's too daring/brazen, while others want her to change in the opposite direction and be more of a sexy merry widow type. And I think I used too many pages on the first two acts and not enough on the third.

Almost all women I know throw things when in a temper. I tend to, if there's nothing for me to kick. I don't tend to slam my hands down on things. Less of a good thump or shatter that way.

I've found that, oddly enough, a lot of readers and reviewers see Haunted Ballads as just as much Penny's thing as Ringan's, and I honestly don't see it that way.

Penny's voice in the Haunted Ballads is actually stronger, IMO, than Ringan's. She comes through more clearly, and sticks in my memory more than he does. If they were real, and I was talking about them to someone, I'd describe them as Penny and Ringan rather than Ringan and Penny.

Jilli, that's lovely. (Though I keep picturing the groom in his zombie gear when reading that. Braaaaaaaaaaains.)

I don't throw things. I'll sometimes pound a pillow or cushion.

Something hasn't been coming through right in Anna's characterization; that much is clear, because practically all my CPs have trouble understanding her--though some think she's too daring/brazen, while others want her to change in the opposite direction and be more of a sexy merry widow type. And I think I used too many pages on the first two acts and not enough on the third.

Susan, do you think while you were writing, she was still so fresh in your head from the first book that you unconsciously assumed you'd already worked certain aspects of her characterization in, because, well, you had, just not in the new book? Would it help to re-read her sections in Lucy, then go and read the parts that your CPs are having issues with?

t /back seat editing

That could be it, though I changed so much from the original characterization of both Lucy and Anna, knowing full well the first book would never see the light of day unless I rewrote it intensively, that I don't think going back to the first book would solve the problem.

I think it's more that I need to make it very clear what went wrong in her marriage and how she responded to it. I tried to be subtle and imply a lot, show not tell, etc., but apparently I overdid it. Most of the questions and areas of misunderstanding cluster around that aspect of her character.

OK, time to sail in....

I think I've just realized the source of my anxiety problems. I never get visibly angry.

This may help explain why I write men better than I write women.

Hmm.

I've always thought flinging things in a fit of temper to be gauche. I get very good results with quiet, precise descriptions of wrong doing.

I've always thought flinging things in a fit of temper to be gauche. I get very good results with quiet, precise descriptions of wrong doing.

I've always found quiet, precise descriptions of wrong doing just don't work when there isn't a person to whom I may direct my rage.

YRMV.

Men, in my experience, fight to show off. They scrabble for position. When women are pissed off enough to actually fight? We're out to fucking kill.

I've noticed that as well. Though I don't get the whole fighting for position thing so much. I remember when I was in junior high my male friends used to beat the crap out of each other on a regular basis and I'd be the one sitting on the sidelines going "What's wrong with you people?" I mean, I'd roughhouse some too, but as soon as people started throwing actual punches I was out of there.

I've actually been in very few fights in my life, simply because I refused to throw the first punch (Whereas now I'm willing to do so if I feel I or someone I care about is physically threatened, but thankfully that hasn't happened.) Over a dozen times during my scholastic career I had guys get up in my face trying to goad me into a fight, but I never took the bait. The only time I ever swung was if they swung first, and sometimes not even then. (Had a kid half my size trying to pick a fight with me in gym class my junior year. He came at me swinging and I literally held him at bay with one arm until the teacher stopped laughing long enough to convince him the stupidity of his actions.)

Women on the other hand... any time girls fought in our school there tended to be blood and hair all down the hallway. One girl even jabbed a safety pin into another's eye. Most of the time the guys spent half the fight posturing and spouting macho bullshit. The girls were freakin' scary.

Almost all women I know throw things when in a temper. I tend to, if there's nothing for me to kick. I don't tend to slam my hands down on things. Less of a good thump or shatter that way.

I'm aware of this, but is this a general temper, or when the specific object of their rage is present to throw things at. (A friend of mine described all his arguements with one of his exes as involving him trying to placate and dodge at the same time.)

I think it's more that I need to make it very clear what went wrong in her marriage and how she responded to it. I tried to be subtle and imply a lot, show not tell, etc., but apparently I overdid it.

In my most recent chapter, I felt like I gave out a lot of good character information about one of my female leads during one scene without whacking the reader over the head with it, but what little feedback I've gotten so far suggests I was way too subtle. I think it's tough writing subtelty sometimes because your mind already knows how to connect the dots, where as the reader needs them to be numbered sometimes.

I think I've just realized the source of my anxiety problems. I never get visibly angry.

Heh. When I'm truly angry, there is no doubt in the minds of anyone within a half mile radius. It doesn't help that I tend to turn bright red before I start yelling and breaking things.

Plei, huh. Interesting. I meant it to be that way in Famous Flower, but she seems a bit muted to me in both Weaver and Matty. And Cruel Sister is very definitely shaping up to be Ringan's book - it's his arse in the meat grinder.

Most of the time the guys spent half the fight posturing and spouting macho bullshit. The girls were freakin' scary.

Yep. The guys always seem to me to have the "let's fight for heirarchy positioning!" thing, or at least potential for said thing, going on. If you've managed to piss a woman off enough to trigger a physical response of that kind, speaking for me and mine? Your life's in danger, get to safety NOW.

A very long time ago, I frogmarched the woman I hated above anyone else on the planet out of her own bedroom and out of her own house. What I chiefly remember was the iron control it took to not damage the little bitch. Because had I given in to the rage of the moment - to be fair, it was fuelled by severe physical discomfort, since I'd been in a wheelchair for several months and had lost all the callouses on the soles of my feet and they hurt like hell - I'd have snapped the little shit's neck like a pretzel. And heaven knows, I wanted to. She was also hurting the man I loved above all else. I was very careful not to damage her.

edit: forgot - I'm not a thrower, and never have been. It may have something to do with my height and physical strength, I don't know. But in the days when I allowed my temper to take control, it was a matter of "Deb pound head into pavement! Deb not stop until Deb see evidence of braaaaains! Which could take awhile....."