You're wrong about River. River's not on the ship. They didn't want her here, but she couldn't make herself leave. So she melted... Melted away. They didn't know she could do that, but she did.

River ,'Objects In Space'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


§ ita § - Sep 21, 2005 10:25:09 am PDT #4134 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I can honestly say that I have never for one second found a corporate type sexy. UGH.

Which is probably one of a meeeeeeelion reasons you aren't the target audience for the imprint.


deborah grabien - Sep 21, 2005 10:26:27 am PDT #4135 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Yep. My only inclination toward corporate raiders of either genre is to turn the crossbow on them and do a Bill Hicks: "He was a moron! He's dead! I just felt the world get lighter - fucking CELEBRATE!"

Definitely not their target audience, nope.


Amy - Sep 21, 2005 10:32:26 am PDT #4136 of 10001
Because books.

Harlouette (at least the original lines) are still really heavy on:

cowboys
sheiks (?!)
office romances with virgin heroines
billionaires

I don't think I'm their target audience either.

What still makes me fume is that I was *there* when we started Brava for Kensington. And we discussed the fact that some of our personal sexual squicks were going to have to be ignored, because we couldn't censor everything we didn't like (or encourage only what we did). And whether my editor realizes it or not, a lot of the readers buying the sexier stuff, which is what Brava is supposed to be, find stuff like slash sexy, and love guys with tattoos, and so on. Not all of them, but then there's that pesky "can't please everyone" adage to remember.


Scrappy - Sep 21, 2005 10:35:00 am PDT #4137 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I have never for one second found a corporate type sexy. UGH.

Depends on your definition of "Corporate." For example, the satellite company my Brother works for has a bunch of guys who wear suits every day and work in an office, but I met them all and they are, almost to man, chamring British and Australian and Dutch guys who are multilingual, world-traveled, funny and really interested in the culture. If that's not sexy, I don't know what is. You really can't judge a person by his outfit, you know?


§ ita § - Sep 21, 2005 10:36:42 am PDT #4138 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm way too corporate myself to dream of ruling the group out as a whole. It's not what you do, it's the way that you do it.


Amy - Sep 21, 2005 10:41:50 am PDT #4139 of 10001
Because books.

It's not what you do, it's the way that you do it.

Oh, exactly. And a guy in a well-cut suit is very often hot. Like DB, for instance. I think he looks yummy on Bones.


Nutty - Sep 21, 2005 10:54:29 am PDT #4140 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Seconded, that a suit that fits properly can garner several extra sexiness points. Those points may only be collected, however, if the suit is worn ironically. (I can just imagine reams and reams of "Impetuous Virgin Secretary Tames Gordon Gekko," at which I can only wonder -- A. This dude thinks lunch is for wimps. Just guess what his attitude toward virginity is. and B. This dude is Michael Douglas!! Have you no taste?)

Mickey Mouse watches, suspenders, and funny socks all count as irony, in the business world.

cowboys, sheiks (?!), office romances with virgin heroines, billionaires

Sadly, it seems to be impossible to combine all these four into a single character of Ideal Masculinity. I'm also pretending I'm blind for the second category, because the potential for racist/exoticist stereotyping and insensitivity is staggering.

You know, I just realized -- billionaires is meant, as a category, to encompass modern Darcies, isn't it? I mean, I've never heard of a romance hero who was penniless, but the modern equivalent of the landed aristocracy is, like, a grandson of the Waltons.


Amy - Sep 21, 2005 10:57:28 am PDT #4141 of 10001
Because books.

I've never heard of a romance hero who was penniless, but the modern equivalent of the landed aristocracy is, like, a grandson of the Waltons.

Suh-nerk.

They've either got family money/business to run, or they're self-made men/millionaires at the age of roughly 33.

I don't get the sheik thing at. all.

Oh! Royalty is also big, even in the contemporary-set books. They're full of princes from small made-up countries. (Which actually worked for me in the movie The Prince and Me, even though that country was real.)


§ ita § - Sep 21, 2005 10:59:36 am PDT #4142 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Wow. That's two hate-ons (okay, I exaggerate) for the Suits. I don't think I've ever noted a suit worn ironically in real life, but have hotted up for more than one man wearing them.

I mean, dear Lord.

::goes back to her corporate sellout ways::


Nutty - Sep 21, 2005 11:04:10 am PDT #4143 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I don't hate suits across the board (although I don't work with people who wear them), but about 90% of real people who wear suits wear them indifferently, with poor fit, poor tailoring, and unimaginative color/texture choices. In a word, they all look alike.

Which is not a way to be sexy. George, OTOH, can afford a tailor.

Although I find those men who wear velvet frock coats to Hollywood function often laughable, I also laud their trying out something other than the standard penguin suit.