I'm just, uh, just feeling kinda... truthsome right now. And, uh... life's just too damn short for ifs and maybes.

Mal ,'Heart Of Gold'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

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Susan W. - Sep 20, 2005 12:43:58 pm PDT #4093 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

And I figure six weeks only even works if you're unpublished like me, or are Stephen King and can turn in your books when you damn well please.


Amy - Sep 20, 2005 12:48:43 pm PDT #4094 of 10001
Because books.

And I figure six weeks only even works if you're unpublished like me, or are Stephen King and can turn in your books when you damn well please.

Well, no. I mean, you could be starting your next book now, and working on that while waiting to edit this one. And six weeks might be optimal -- who knows? Whatever works.

I must have skipped that part in the book.


deborah grabien - Sep 20, 2005 1:46:33 pm PDT #4095 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

I think Stephen King recommends it, though he's not about Absolute Rules of Writing, IIRC. But I'm pretty sure that's his advice in On Writing, and I've had it quoted at me a few times.

This is why I have never yet looked inside a book about "how to write", by anyone, any time, anywhere.

Tell me something's a rule and I immediately break it.


erikaj - Sep 20, 2005 2:33:25 pm PDT #4096 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I've stopped reading writing books, mostly. Although besides "Bird by Bird" I also like this one by an editor called "Forest for The Trees". Anyone else here read it? It has a lot of stuff in it about what editing is like and what editors think when they reject stories...war story stuff In my case, taking multiple weeks before looking at mine has helped me look at it and read it again, as opposed to scanning the pages somewhat blankly and thinking of everything as being foregone. I was thinking I'd be finished by now, but at least Deb will not have to wear down her machete when she gets the newest version.


Susan W. - Sep 20, 2005 3:05:14 pm PDT #4097 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

In general, I'm fine with advice given in the tone of, "Here's what works for me; take it or leave it." (Which King's is, IMO.) I take a lot of it, because I'm still a newbie at all this. But once you tell me this is the one and only way to do something, I immediately become determined to prove that it's not. I wonder if that's the ex-fundamentalist in me coming out--the more gushing, glowy, and religious in fervor a method's proponents are, the faster I run in the opposite direction.


deborah grabien - Sep 20, 2005 3:10:24 pm PDT #4098 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Me, I'm just perverse. Tell me the sky is irrevocably blue and you'll get a mulish eyebrow raised, even if I agree with you.

I just tend to snarl at absolutes. But also, I had a musician father with purely musician child - me - that he refused to allow to take music lessons because he said formal musical education had rotted out more creative spirits than opium ever would. His feeling was that I ought to learn if I had something to say before I risked clogging the chakras with the grammar behind the language.

So for me, it becomes a "sit down and do it, or walk away and do something else" deal. All in the upbringing.


Susan W. - Sep 20, 2005 3:14:10 pm PDT #4099 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Tell me the sky is irrevocably blue and you'll get a mulish eyebrow raised, even if I agree with you.

Heh. This reminds me of the summer before I left for college, when my mother and I were fighting all the time, more than we have before or since. She said, "If I said the sky was blue, you'd argue with me."

I looked out the window. It was a sunny day, but in the ultra-humid, ultra-hazy way of an Alabama July. I said, "Actually, it looks white to me."

Mom was not amused, but Dad was.


deborah grabien - Sep 20, 2005 3:58:44 pm PDT #4100 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

"If I said the sky was blue, you'd argue with me."

Yet another reason why I could never be a deist. I appreciate the value of a good metaphor - the sky is blue - but tell me it's the literal One True Way, and prepare for a week's worth of snarling argument over it.


Susan W. - Sep 20, 2005 4:38:35 pm PDT #4101 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Deb, just out of curiosity, how many beta readers do you use? I have some volunteers, and I'm trying to decide if I should take all comers, or if that's overkill and I should just go with 3-5, plus any of my CPs who feel up for reading the whole thing at one go.


deborah grabien - Sep 20, 2005 4:39:30 pm PDT #4102 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

I think I need a good poking.

I ought to be working on Cruel Sister; I've got maybe 17,000 words to go and I'm ahead of deadline schedule and I should be working on it.

But right now, for various reasons, I want to curl up and reread both the Kinkaid Chronicles instead. Notice, I'm bneing that good, at least: I swore I wouldn't begin London Calling until Cruel Sister is done.

But I'm ahead of schedule and for various emotionally based and therefore misty-eyes-making reasons, I want to go visit my what-if world for a few hours.

That's not too evil, is it? And anyway, I'm waiting for WIP feedback on Cruel Sister.