Well, if we followed the recipe...should be cake. A demon-violence-free-zone cake.

Lorne ,'Why We Fight'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Lyra Jane - Aug 19, 2005 12:02:01 pm PDT #3653 of 10001
Up with the sun

The first thing that comes to mind for me is that she could slip onstage and land funny, blowing out the cartilege. I think I've read of dancers ending their careers that way.


ChiKat - Aug 19, 2005 12:05:07 pm PDT #3654 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

A fall during ice skating?


Amy - Aug 19, 2005 12:07:21 pm PDT #3655 of 10001
Because books.

she could slip onstage and land funny, blowing out the cartilege

Good idea!

A fall during ice skating?

Also good, because then she could have a bit of guilt, rational or not -- an "I shouldn't have been doing that, duh," kind of thing.


Allyson - Aug 19, 2005 12:12:17 pm PDT #3656 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I got notes back on my market analysis. My agent says I need to be a liitle bit (lot) more clear on the Buffy/Angel/Firefly market, and how many people would be wanting to buy it from those fandoms.

I'm not sure if that's really true, so it's hard for me to sell it. In my head, I just figured it to be more of a Sarah Vowell-esque slice o' life thing, since it's not particularly about those television shows.

I think maybe I am having a mental roadblock. It's hard to wrap my head around who would buy it, who *my* demographic is.

I think almost all the stories can be applied to any net community/fandom.


Nutty - Aug 19, 2005 12:15:54 pm PDT #3657 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I need some kind of a knee-destroying accident that's interesting and believable. Something that would allow her to walk again, but not to dance.

There are lots and lots and lots of these. (I mean, in all sports, and as demanding physical sports go, I imagine ballet is more demanding of the knees than most.)

It's probably a bit hard to have someone graceful rip a tendon or cartilage doing ordinary things, but slipping on ice, or falling down a flight of three stairs, or being knocked off one's feet (especially if someone else falls on top) on an abrupt stop of a subway car would do it. Any situation where the top half of the leg goes one way, and the bottom half of it goes another, is potentially a serious injury.

What you probably want to spend more time looking into is the therapy/surgery/recovery options for knee injuries. There are still injuries that will absolutely kill a career (and when all else fails, pull a Barry Bonds and say that the knee got infected, filled up with fluid, and remains balky), but the past few years have seen great leaps in medical improvements. I think you can recover from practically anything except arthritis/deterioration or a shattered kneecap.

Even torn/lost cartilage may soon be replaceable, with silicon gel injections! (Randy Johnson, the New York pitcher, has no cartilage at all in one knee.)


Nutty - Aug 19, 2005 12:23:44 pm PDT #3658 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I just figured it to be more of a Sarah Vowell-esque slice o' life thing, since it's not particularly about those television shows. I think almost all the stories can be applied to any net community/fandom.

Basically, this is part of the pitch, right? Figuring out the marketing angle, and how big a market your angle covers.

I agree, it's important to say "This is not a book for fans of X, this is a window into the lives of those people." Although plenty of fans and Allyson-supporters will surely buy the book, the much-larger demographic is hip, high-low brow, media-literate Young Turks. Comparing your book to Sarah Vowell, or to, say, the hijinks of the McSweeney's crowd, is probably more enlightening to a book editor than saying "There are 100,000 people who watch this show, and 60% of them will buy my book."

Actually the book will probably do better among the general Young Turk crowd than among hard-core fans. The book isn't for hard-core fans, right? It's for people interested in the workings of people. Hard-core fans are the ones who will be griping about how it wasn't really like that and you took me out of context.


Amy - Aug 19, 2005 12:24:31 pm PDT #3659 of 10001
Because books.

Randy Johnson, the New York pitcher, has no cartilage at all in one knee.

Really? Ew. That sounds...painful.

I think you can recover from practically anything except arthritis/deterioration or a shattered kneecap.

But if she shattered her kneecap, she could walk again, yes?

It's hard to wrap my head around who would buy it, who *my* demographic is.

Would it help to try and find out some of the other Buffy/Angel books did, in terms of numbers of potential buyers? Such as Slayer Slang and Fear and Trembling in Sunnydale, etc.? If you know they did fairly well, then you can put them in a query/proposal.

God, I don't know how you figure out even what the rough estimate is -- start with how many people watched the shows at their peak, what kind of ratings the reruns pull in (do they track those? they must, I guess), and approximate from there?


Amy - Aug 19, 2005 12:28:42 pm PDT #3660 of 10001
Because books.

Nutty's probably right -- the book really isn't about the shows, but I'm not sure how to give a comparison, which I know is useful in an editorial meeting. I can't find any other books about fandom out there in a quick glance, but what about the audience for that movie about Trekkies?

What about giving a rough estimate of how many Buffy/Angel/Firefly boards/communities are out there?


Connie Neil - Aug 19, 2005 12:30:46 pm PDT #3661 of 10001
brillig

the drabble

"We'll get through this," he says as he fights the pain.

I'm sick of that line.

I don't think I believe in the other side of all this anymore. I don't think there's a "through" to get through--and I don't think I'd trust it even if there was. I don't know how to live in a world where I'm not eternally braced for catastrophe. Like Atlas, the world will collapse if I relax.

Hell is a Mobius. There is no other side.


Allyson - Aug 19, 2005 12:30:50 pm PDT #3662 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Actually the book will probably do better among the general Young Turk crowd than among hard-core fans. The book isn't for hard-core fans, right? It's for people interested in the workings of people. Hard-core fans are the ones who will be griping about how it wasn't really like that and you took me out of context.

This is perzactly my thinking on it, Nutty. There's so little insight on the inner workings of Joss Whedon's head I don't see how it would be entertaining to fans on that sort of level who just want to talk about the shows and the stars of them.

It feels weird to me to be marketing it to fans of shows, when so little of teh book actually discusses shows themselves. I'm just talking about people who happened to like these shows, and my zany adventures.