Dawn: I thought you were adequate. Giles: And the accolades keep pouring in. I'd best take my leave before my head swells any larger. Good night.

'First Date'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Allyson - Aug 12, 2005 12:17:27 pm PDT #3603 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I'm doing a rewrite/polish on Save Firefly, which will be the sample essay in the proposal. I expect to complete it by tonight, and was wondering if anyone could do a quick beta to make sure I'm not on crack. I have to add the piece about the movie getting made, and the growing myth that we had anything to do with it.


deborah grabien - Aug 12, 2005 12:24:51 pm PDT #3604 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Allyson, bebe, send it along.

edit: bearing in mind that I'm leaving for San Diego tomorrow morning, and getting back Sunday night...


Liese S. - Aug 12, 2005 12:31:39 pm PDT #3605 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I'll beta, Allyson. Profile addy.


Amy - Aug 12, 2005 1:18:14 pm PDT #3606 of 10001
Because books.

I'd be happy to read it, Allyson. Profile address is good if you want to send it.


Susan W. - Aug 12, 2005 1:38:31 pm PDT #3607 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Oh, dear.

We just invited another member to join my online critique group--a person I strongly recommended (T), because I'd had good email interactions with her and thought she'd be a good fit for the group.

Somehow it went all kerfuffly. She and A got into this whole style and POV argument that somehow just got all out of hand. I agree with A about the writing stuff, for the most part, but I thought T's different style and perspective were going to be great, because we were in danger of turning into the A & Susan Mutual Appreciation Society, with occasional supporting huzzahs from our quieter third member, K. But T is now wanting to walk away, and I don't blame her, because A wasn't taking criticism well, and was kinda insulting some of T's favorite writers, and I just want to rewind to the beginning of the week, start again from the beginning, and make A's skin thicker and give them both a tact transplant or something, becasue I like them both and want them both in the group, dammit.


SailAweigh - Aug 12, 2005 4:31:02 pm PDT #3608 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Now that I'm finally caught up here, I can wish Allyson a Happy Agent! I, too, will be putting that puppy on pre-order with Amazon as soon as a publishing date is released.

I must say, in regards to the "how do I look to others online" topic, that I didn't realize, erika, that you were in a wheelchair until you posted a picture of a new haircut and I could see you were sitting in one. The impression I got of you online from your posts was of someone quirky and snarky, that I would not want to get on the wrong side of for fear of your pointed intellect stripping away any pretensions to true intelligence I might have had. But the main reason I learned that about you was because I got the impression from all the other buffistas that you were someone they treasured highly, so I actually paid more attention to your posts than those of a lot of others and discovered you had a very distinctive voice that I enjoyed mightily. So, as someone who came to the board well after you "outed" yourself, I never had any reason to see you as anyone other than someone like myself who found an interesting place to hang with people who had my interests and hobbies.

Damn, Susan, that's too bad. Differences of opinion can be a good thing, let's hope A starts seeing that soon and offers an olive branch.


Susan W. - Aug 12, 2005 4:43:17 pm PDT #3609 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Damn, Susan, that's too bad. Differences of opinion can be a good thing, let's hope A starts seeing that soon and offers an olive branch.

I just sent all three of them an email trying to sort things out, or at least get us to a point where if T leaves, we'll all be on good terms. Right now I can all too easily picture this being the origin of one of those ongoing writer grudges I've seen all too many of, and 99% of the time they're completely pointless and based on something petty and bizarre. Sheesh, people. It's not a zero-sum game, and I'm saying that as one of the most competitive people you'll ever meet.

A is on the East Coast--I do hope she checks her email tonight, because I'm usually not Calls People on BS Girl, so it makes me nervous. I don't want to lose T for the group and have A angry at me!


Susan W. - Aug 12, 2005 8:10:26 pm PDT #3610 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

T decided not to stick with the group, but I think the discussion I started by emailing everyone to sort it out allowed us to part on civilized terms. Ah, well. I really hoped she'd fit the group, both because I like her and because she's a super-brainy research geek cut from the same cloth I am in that respect, only she's been at it longer and therefore knows much more. I guess that's what I get for trying to choose CPs by how much they'll help with my fact-checking...

It does bring up the interesting question of how to integrate a new member into an existing critique group. We really need a fourth--we started with four and had one drop out because of life changes, and three feels a little skimpy somehow.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 14, 2005 5:33:31 am PDT #3611 of 10001
What is even happening?

I'm doing a rewrite/polish on Save Firefly, which will be the sample essay in the proposal. I expect to complete it by tonight, and was wondering if anyone could do a quick beta to make sure I'm not on crack. I have to add the piece about the movie getting made, and the growing myth that we had anything to do with it.

Allyson, did you finish it, yet? I just ask, because I was reading the Firefly 1 thread this morning. I came across a bunch of posts on 10/31/02 telling you how awful something was. I scrolled back to find the context, and saw that everyone was referring to a post you made in Press. I looked up the post in Press, and it all came flowing back.

Allyson "Sunnydale Press" Oct 31, 2002 9:59:02 pm PST


Allyson - Aug 14, 2005 7:18:13 pm PDT #3612 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I'm writing the formal proposal which will go with the sample chapter and annotated table of contents. Sample chapter is pretty much done (thanks for the help, Amy, I think I fixed what needed fixin').

Formal proposal? So unfun. So very unfun. It's like writing your own job review. Bleh. But I plan to be really arrogant and all, "I RULE" about it. Still. Unfun.