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The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


deborah grabien - Aug 11, 2005 4:30:39 pm PDT #3541 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

I don't really know what that means but it made me feel really really good.

Somewhere, probably back in the first GWW, I'm pretty sure I posted up my editor's comments about voice from her ongoing essay "How to Hook an Editor" in "Writing Mystery.

And you're damned right it should make you feel good, because a voice is what every editor wants. It brings everyone back for more. It gives you readers, over and over and over.

I told you you had voice, damn it. So does erika, actually; very distinctive.

It's not the same as necessarily being able to write well, but it takes you light years down the road in that direction, because honing the storytelling is a mechanical thing. The voice is there, or it isn't.

Welcome to the Sisterhood of the Travelling Writerly Voice.


Allyson - Aug 11, 2005 5:17:16 pm PDT #3542 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I think I just don't get what it is and what it means. At any rate, I am home and took tomorrow off to polish Save Firefly, finish Random Acts of Paypal, and get the draft of The Misery Effect up on its legs.

I love this so much.


deborah grabien - Aug 11, 2005 5:23:59 pm PDT #3543 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

I think I just don't get what it is and what it means

It means that no one else sounds like you. Your writing brings you up to the reader, every time. It's a way of using a phrase, placing a comma that makes it a living breath instead of a grammatical afterthought. It's how you paragraph; after reading a few pieces, the reader knows where you're likely to break one, because it's standard Allyson.

There's no groping. There's no stumbling. And whenever someone who's read your stuff picks up more of your stuff, they're going to say, cool! This is Allyson's! without ever looking to see who wrote it.

It speaks for you.

Short form: dude, it's a Very Good Thing. Embrace it. Hell, my editor cited me as an example of voice in one oher essays and I preened for fucking fifteen years. Still am, in fact.


Allyson - Aug 11, 2005 5:28:03 pm PDT #3544 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Ah! Thanks, deb. I understand.

preens


deborah grabien - Aug 11, 2005 5:35:44 pm PDT #3545 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

preens in corner with Allyson


Atropa - Aug 11, 2005 6:14:06 pm PDT #3546 of 10001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

And whenever someone who's read your stuff picks up more of your stuff, they're going to say, cool! This is Allyson's! without ever looking to see who wrote it.

Yep, what she said.

If it helps, some of the writers I read who have very distinct voices: Neil Gaiman, Caitlin R. Kiernan, Ray Bradbury, and Terry Pratchett.


deborah grabien - Aug 11, 2005 6:17:24 pm PDT #3547 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Jilli, I'm adding Mary Stewart, both the individual novels and the Merlin novels. Incredibly distinctive voice.

I'd add Simenon, but he occasionally gets screwed over when he gets translated.

Oh, and Shirley Jackson, my idol, my goddess. Talk about voice...


Topic!Cindy - Aug 12, 2005 1:12:23 am PDT #3548 of 10001
What is even happening?

I think I just don't get what it is and what it means.
It's like how you know (with some musicians) which musician/band is performing a song, the first time you heard it. And I don't mean the singer's physical voice. But you know that's E Street, that's U2, that's the Stones, that's Mozart.

There's something to how they put it all together that makes you able to identify them. They leave some sort of signature on it. And I suppose in a more simple way, it is like the sounds singer's physical voice, or how you know your mom on the phone right away. I very much know, "That's Allyson," when I read your essays. Now, I know you. But if your brand spanking new agent says you have voice, that's really something.

Preen some more.


erikaj - Aug 12, 2005 4:56:41 am PDT #3549 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Whenever anyone says anything stands out about me, I always go through this thing...thinking "Distinctive, or Special?"Because we all know one is good and one is for a talking dog act.I know I bitch a lot about the lack of credit I get, and that's totally still true, but I also get praise that's...disproportionate sometimes because people believe that my existence should crush me into a fine paste or something so therefore every graf I write is Amazing. Would that it were so. For the record, I do understand that deb never does that, (Thanks, Deb) but it's why I always look sideways at compliments.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 12, 2005 5:13:05 am PDT #3550 of 10001
What is even happening?

I also get praise that's...disproportionate sometimes because people believe that my existence should crush me into a fine paste or something so therefore every graf I write is Amazing.
erika, do you think this holds as true online, as in real life? I'm trying to think about how I think about my online people, when I read their writing (pieces/stories/essays as opposed to nattery stuff). I know a lot more about you, or Deb, or Susan, than I would about any random person whose stuff I'd read. I wonder how much my personal feelings come into play, when I do read it. Because I don't know any of you in person, a lot of my opinions of you all are based on how you write (both your writing stuff, and your nattery stuff--which is where I get more unfiltered personality).

In other words, I know you are in a chair because you've talked about it. I know Deb has MS and an interesting past. I know Susan has baby and a bunch of stuff going on in her real life, but so little of any of that has much to do with how I think of you all.

That said, I do have preconceived (maybe just conceived) notions of you all, already in my mind, when I read your stuff. My head version of you is a woman who is unfairly gifted with a quick come back and black humor, or just the right quote for a situation. I think of Deb as this big ball of passion, no matter what she's writing about. I think of Susan as someone who is deliberate and inclined to analyze and research. I can't say I am unbiased when I read any of you, but I wonder if/how closely my biases would match those of your face-to-face friends and acquaintances.