Um, well, we listened to aggressively cheerful music sung by people chosen for their ability to dance. Then we ate cookie dough, and talked about boys.

Giles ,'Get It Done'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Liese S. - Jun 21, 2005 8:12:35 am PDT #2878 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Huh.

No idea. I probably meant "grieves for," but it didn't ping me when I reread, so maybe I do use it that way. I dunno.

It woulda helped, 'cause I ended up at 99 and had to stick in the "so" in the last line. I think, anyway, 'cause I hand-counted this one.

I also noticed that I inadvertently rhymed again in the closing sentence. Whoops. Heh.


Susan W. - Jun 21, 2005 8:36:17 am PDT #2879 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I seem to be having a writerly identity crisis.

I'm not sure I'm a romance novelist after all, at least not in any way that'll fit the current direction of the genre. So I'm staring in befuddlement at my work, and at the market, and wondering if there's any home for a writer who writes historical fiction, or maybe call it historical women's fiction, wherein the love story is the A plot or occasionally a very strong B plot, but breaks too many romance rules to be a romance.

I know, I know, write the book, then worry about the market, you have to be true to your art, yadda yadda yadda. I know and believe all that. But I'm just so damn sick of being a publishing virgin. I'm like one of those implausible Regency heroines out to lose her virginity in One Night of Passion, convention be damned and consequences go hang, but unlike the implausible heroines, my conscience won't shut up: "Self, you'll gut the story if you force it down to 400 pages/100K words because that's the longest the romance market allows. And you know it's lame to give short shrift to the Badajoz sequence just because Jack and Anna aren't together in that part of the story. Same goes for Anna's pregnancy, birth, and early experiences of motherhood. Life-changing experiences, both, and important to who they are when they meet again a few months later. And do you really want to trim down the conversations and obliterate or minimize the secondary characters? You hate books where the hero and heroine seem to fall in love and into bed without actually getting to know each other, and you are annoyed by ones where everything and everyone but the hero and heroine are cardboard cutouts. Which would you rather have, a mediocre book that fits the conventions or something as brilliant as your gifts allow you to make it that doesn't?"

Stupid conscience. As long-winded and big-mouthed as the rest of me. But it's right.

So. Huh. Is there are market for romancey pseudo-epic historical fiction? I think so, but it's probably harder to break into. But OTOH, the potential rewards might be greater.

Stupid market. Stupid muse, to refuse to give me anything with an obvious niche.


Lilty Cash - Jun 21, 2005 8:39:13 am PDT #2880 of 10001
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

I know that many aren't fans, but would Diana Gabaldon's books maybe fall under that sort of category, Susan?


Susan W. - Jun 21, 2005 8:45:31 am PDT #2881 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I was thinking of Diana Gabaldon. There's also Sara Donati and probably a few others. And while his books aren't by any stretch of the imagination romancey and woman-oriented, insofar as I want to be compared to anyone, I'd be over the moon if anyone called me a female American Patrick O'Brian.


Lilty Cash - Jun 21, 2005 8:47:09 am PDT #2882 of 10001
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

Well, I feel like you'd definitely have an audience out there.


deborah grabien - Jun 21, 2005 8:54:42 am PDT #2883 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Susan, I have nothing to offer on this one. I don't write genre fiction - I just write fiction. But then, I don't write epics, either - I'm into minimal language that's as powerful and that carries as much as I can make it. Which isn't a knock at the longer, fuller form - see Chabon, Michael, Kavalier and Klay. But even there, in my favourite book on earth, I'd have edited a good twenty pages (that's book pages, so way more inmanuscript terms) out of the Antarctica sequence. Personal taste. And as to the market, I'm clueless.


Jesse - Jun 21, 2005 8:54:51 am PDT #2884 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Susan, I feel like the question is, which is more imporatant to you? To make a living from your writing, or to write exactly the stories in your heart or whatever. If getting published is #1, you should probably focus on writing the kinds of things you know people want to buy.


Topic!Cindy - Jun 21, 2005 9:02:17 am PDT #2885 of 10001
What is even happening?

I've heard it "it grieves me" all my life. What I've never heard before is "I grieve you."
Me too deb, that's why I looked it up. I have also said and heard "They are grieving" (in lieu of 'mourning')--just never the way Liese used it.


Susan W. - Jun 21, 2005 11:15:38 am PDT #2886 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I don't know, Jesse. I do want to sell, and I hope to one day be able to be a full-time author. But I'm starting to realize just how much I've been fighting my natural tendencies as a writer to try to make my books fit the romance industry's current requirements for length and plot. I'm not being a genre snob, mind--if I *could* write the kind of thing Jo Beverley and Loretta Chase are putting out, I would, and I'd be thrilled with my work. Or if the genre shifted a bit and made room for epics again, I'd be happy to sell accordingly. Meanwhile when I look at the market for what I actually want to write, it's smaller and more amorphous, and therefore harder to make that first sale. But if you *can* make that sale and find your market, it's a great place to be--I guarantee you Diana Gabaldon sells more copies of her books than even very successful historical romance writers.

So. Stuff to think about. Meanwhile I think I'm going to keep writing the way I want to write.


Ginger - Jun 21, 2005 1:15:30 pm PDT #2887 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Run along. Nothing to see here.