Overwhelming? How much more than whelming would that be exactly?

Anya ,'Touched'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


erikaj - Jun 01, 2005 2:47:18 pm PDT #2453 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Dumbass. No, wait... Is that dumb-ass, or dumb ass? Ask him.


Susan W. - Jun 01, 2005 2:54:23 pm PDT #2454 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

What I want to know is on what planet he thinks this is his job, and if he does this all the time, why he still has a job.


deborah grabien - Jun 01, 2005 3:01:43 pm PDT #2455 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Susan, the vibe I get off the notes? Is a fresh out of college English major, trying to impress the professor he no longer has.

Let's see, here's a sampling of what has me walking away from this until I cool down, and the deadline can bite me:

All of this on post-its folded backward, mind you. Nothing to tell me where on the page I'm supposed to be looking.

(post it folded back) "(p.133) para 6, l.3: "the word "Festival" is used here, with u.c. first letter. However, elsewhere in the book, it is referred to as the "Callowen House" festival. Should we not edit all these for purposes of consistency?"

After I turn the page over, talking to myself and issuing death threats, I count down six paragraphs - because he hasn't marked the page itself, mind you - and read what he's talking about. I then type - on a separate sheet, mind you - the following:

Page 133, paragraph 6, line 3: The word "Festival" here is being used in conversation, not in narrative. As an example, no one who went to Woodstock has ever, to my certain knowledge, casually remarked, "I caught Jimi Hendrix's set at Woodstock: Three Days of Peace, Love and Music in Bethel, New York!" We just call it Woodstock. I was there. Trust me."

There are over a hundred of these fucking entries.


Anne W. - Jun 01, 2005 3:21:52 pm PDT #2456 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Dumbass. No, wait... Is that dumb-ass, or dumb ass?

BWAH!


erikaj - Jun 01, 2005 3:35:02 pm PDT #2457 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Thanks...I have a friend who's an editor and I did ask him whether "fucked up" was hyphenated once.


deborah grabien - Jun 01, 2005 3:38:53 pm PDT #2458 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

For "dumbass", substitute "anal-retentive pedantic twerp."


Topic!Cindy - Jun 01, 2005 3:57:31 pm PDT #2459 of 10001
What is even happening?

Page 133, paragraph 6, line 3: The word "Festival" here is being used in conversation, not in narrative. As an example, no one who went to Woodstock has ever, to my certain knowledge, casually remarked, "I caught Jimi Hendrix's set at Woodstock: Three Days of Peace, Love and Music in Bethel, New York!" We just call it Woodstock. I was there. Trust me."
snort


Nutty - Jun 01, 2005 4:11:47 pm PDT #2460 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Susan, the vibe I get off the notes? Is a fresh out of college English major, trying to impress the professor he no longer has.

Um, no. Probably he is a middle-aged line-editor, doing work to which he is unsuited. Line editors are used to querying grammar; I've never met an English major who queries grammar except for fun. (It's not covered at all in most English majors, except as remedial stuff in a handbook.) The real question is, why is a line-editor doing layout, and what ego-problem is he suffering that he needs to replicate the already-completed work of the copyeditor*?

The other question is, why bother replying to the queries that are totally wrong-headed and useless? Unless this is somebody who can influence the primary editor, you can just write "Query on p. 12. Leave as is."

* I presume the ms. has, in fact, already been copyedited, by someone who consulted with the author before reading the manuscript to ascertain what kind of specialized language/grammar/style guide notes to expect. Copyeditors are, 99.99% of the time, the best people in the world, because they are the people who make sure you do not say "assfisting" when you mean "assisting."


Amy - Jun 01, 2005 5:25:13 pm PDT #2461 of 10001
Because books.

I presume the ms. has, in fact, already been copyedited, by someone who consulted with the author before reading the manuscript to ascertain what kind of specialized language/grammar/style guide notes to expect.

Probably not -- I copyedit for St. Martin's and most of the time, even for a book in a series, I rarely get the previous style guides, much less copies of previous books for consistency. I'm assuming this is the copyeditor, but I could be wrong. As far I've seen there and elsewhere (for fiction, not scholarly texts) the editor makes any last notes on the final manuscript, and then it goes to the copyeditor, then back to the author, and then off to typesetting.

Unless Deb has the galleys, in which case the proofreader has gone stone-cold beserk, because changes like that shouldn't be made at the stage.

For "dumbass", substitute "anal-retentive pedantic twerp."

My sympathies, Deb. I know you liked your last copyeditor. What a shame. I wish I could have done it!


deborah grabien - Jun 01, 2005 9:30:40 pm PDT #2462 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Unless this is somebody who can influence the primary editor, you can just write "Query on p. 12. Leave as is."

That saves me no work, Nutty. I still have to read every fucking one of the damned things, and respond.

* I presume the ms. has, in fact, already been copyedited, by someone who consulted with the author before reading the manuscript to ascertain what kind of specialized language/grammar/style guide notes to expect. Copyeditors are, 99.99% of the time, the best people in the world, because they are the people who make sure you do not say "assfisting" when you mean "assisting."

This is NOT a copyeditor, damn it. This is a typesetter. The pass-pages, complete, went back to SMP TWO WEEKS ago. This is a typeset style twerp who decided to play. This goes to final typeset Monday morning.

I love my copy editor. Ann is fantastic; she did the copy edits, they were approved both by Ruth Cavin and by me, end of story. I have NO clue who this moron is. And frankly, Nutty, the style of his questions are pure recent graduate. He does not post questions the way any adult I know poses questions. And I've been a copy editor. And also? Talking to my editor's assistant? She basically agreed.

This is just boneheaded bullshit.