Angel: Eve. So, I guess we should, I don't know, talk? Eve: About what? Angel: About what happened back there with us. Eve: Angel, it's not like this is the first time I've had sex under a mystical influence. I went to U.C. Santa Cruz.

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The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Ginger - May 31, 2005 11:05:07 am PDT #2429 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

The only fandom I'm around these days is here, Allyson, and I've otherwise never really been involved in modern fandom, unless you count sending Firefly postcards and money for the ad. I was heavily involved in sf convention fandom in the '70s and early '80s, but I walked away and pretty much never looked back. I'd be happy to look at if you think I'm neutral enough.


Allyson - May 31, 2005 12:36:18 pm PDT #2430 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Who is your target audience?

No idea.

Is it fandom?

Anyone who's ever been a fan of something, so that's really everyone. And People Who Talk to Other People on the Internet.

Do you think they'll feel shot at?

Someone always feels shot at.


§ ita § - May 31, 2005 12:37:57 pm PDT #2431 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Anyone who's ever been a fan of something, so that's really everyone.

If it's really everyone, then your family's inability to understand -- is that a problem?

Someone always feels shot at.

And if too many people feel shot at, the book doesn't go anywhere. So you have to balance your motivations.


Allyson - May 31, 2005 12:43:34 pm PDT #2432 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

If it's really everyone, then your family's inability to understand -- is that a problem?

My family won't be able to get past the me of it. At all. They won't get past, "so this woman came to live with you and you didn't know her?"

That's where it ends for mom and pop.

And if too many people feel shot at, the book doesn't go anywhere. So you have to balance your motivations

I don't really know who would feel shot at. What I mean is, some folks search for ways to be victims, and I can't do anything about that. I'm very careful about this being my experience, and that in my experience some people are assholes.

I really and truly feel that I've been more protective of fandom than angry about fandom.


Topic!Cindy - May 31, 2005 12:45:47 pm PDT #2433 of 10001
What is even happening?

Allyson, may I read it?


Allyson - May 31, 2005 12:46:15 pm PDT #2434 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Sure. Profile addie?


Gris - May 31, 2005 1:54:25 pm PDT #2435 of 10001
Hey. New board.

I volunteer to read it if you would like. My only experience with fandom, ever, is here, 5 posts (maybe 6) on the Television Without Pity boards, a bit of LJ reading, and that one Serenity screening. And the only reason I went to the screening was to see it with a friend. My experience with Buffy/Angel/Firefly fandom is exclusively this board, in seriousness. I'm not even a registered browncoat.

That said, I do fairly understand the fandom vibe, I think, which may be the biggest part of being "in" fandom. And I do read fic, occasionally. So I may not count.


deborah grabien - May 31, 2005 4:10:34 pm PDT #2436 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Allyson, I'd love to read it in any case, and especially if I can be useful over it. I don't know that I actually count as a member of fandom, as the term would be perceived by, say, the nice agent who gave you the feedback.

And I'd do my best to get it back to you as soon as possible, with commentary.

Only caveat is that I seem to be burning down the house with the new WIP. Having begun it twelve days ago and taken a day off, I'm at 32K words and up over 150 manuscript pages.


Cashmere - May 31, 2005 4:18:37 pm PDT #2437 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Allyson, that has to be one of the best rejection letters I've ever read. Good, constructive criticism without beating you down.

I remember this great article I wrote in college. I interviewed this B'hai woman from Iran and wrote about how she got her kids out of the country before the revolution, how she went back to tend to her sick husband (who was subsequently arrested and executed) and her 7 year long struggle to get out of the country. She eventually got smuggled out through the mountains and got an injury that required surgery doing so. Fascinating interviews sitting drinking sweet tea while this woman tut-tutted over her grandkids in their living room.

I sent out a dozen queries and got form letter rejections. Nobody even asked to read the article itself. Broke my young, journalist heart. It may have been the beginning of the end for me as a journalist.

Rejection sucks.


deborah grabien - May 31, 2005 4:25:00 pm PDT #2438 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

What Allyson just got barely qualifies as a rejection letter, though. I mean, this particular agent - one opinion, but the opening salvo of submissions - thinks it's solid. She thinks the book has an audience. She likes the basic way Allyson writes.

There are first-time submission responses out there - man. I've got friends with horror stories.

This was closer to a rave than a rejection. It's fucking brilliant. The book is there; it needs a unifier to sell it, and something that qualifies the snark as snark, rather than criticism, and it's there.

Dayum.

edited for bad typing. I wrote nearly three thousand words on my WIP this morning, and my hands hurt like hell. It's a bad MS day.