I always parsed it as the fact turned up, not the person. So it'd never have occurred to me as counterintuitive.
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§ ita § - Apr 28, 2005 8:57:32 am PDT #1509 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Nutty - Apr 28, 2005 8:59:04 am PDT #1510 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
I think you're right, ita. "Turned up" may be an abbreviation of "turned out to be," i.e. a phrase marking the beginning of being in the adjectival state (missing, lame, dead) rather than meaning the verb's literal content.
Like, "He was missing on May 10" doesn't give a sense of the order of events, but "He turned up missing on May 10" tells you he might have been missing before then, but May 10 was the first day anybody noticed.
deborah grabien - Apr 28, 2005 9:00:19 am PDT #1511 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.
Huh. ita, if I'm reading you correctly, my parse is the exact opposite: the object is what turned up, not the fact.
So "turned up dead", which I tend to associate with unpleasant headlines about someone's car being found in suspicious circs (washed a bit too thoroughly, inside and out, no prints or DNA material anywhere) and with no sign of the owner, is always going to define itself to me as "the missing owner turned up dead".
§ ita § - Apr 28, 2005 9:01:24 am PDT #1512 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
If someone turns up dead, to me (like Nutty), they might have been dead for yonks. When he turns up dead is when we find out about it.
ChiKat - Apr 28, 2005 9:01:33 am PDT #1513 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
I've certainly seen 'turned up dead'
Me, too. Also: Turned up drunk.
ChiKat - Apr 28, 2005 9:02:16 am PDT #1514 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
"Turned up" may be an abbreviation of "turned out to be," i.e. a phrase marking the beginning of being in the adjectival state (missing, lame, dead) rather than meaning the verb's literal content.
This fits with how I've heard it used.
deborah grabien - Apr 28, 2005 9:03:57 am PDT #1515 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.
If someone turns up dead, to me (like Nutty), they might have been dead for yonks. When he turns up dead is when we find out about it.
For me, it's a statement of fact: he was found, and when found (whenever that was), he was dead.
ChiKat - Apr 28, 2005 10:09:10 am PDT #1516 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
So, I've been working on a paper for the past week for a medieval women's lit class and its been kicking my ass. It's due tonight. Would anyone who digs lit crit be able to take a look at it in the next hour or so? It would be much appreciated.
Mostly, I'm concerned with my thesis. I think it may be buried.
Strix - Apr 28, 2005 10:14:35 am PDT #1517 of 10001
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ChiKat - Apr 28, 2005 10:18:40 am PDT #1518 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
Thanks, Erin! Insent.