I'm guessing you're not interested in learning things where being animated is part of the point, then?

I'm guessing you're missing my point.

I'm guessing you're missing my point.

Then help me out -- I still don't know what method works on you when an instructor needs you animated, vigourous, since setting an example isn't it.

But you cheer at sporting events, don't you? You aren't trying to motivate the players so much as create an atmosphere of heightened energy and I think this is directly analogous. You don't want golf claps at a soccer goal.

I'm off to sign up for krav.

How great is it to have a place like this to work stuff out?

After this dialogue, I'm inspired to go do the yelling thing precisely because I thought I could not.

What have I got to lose?

Except maybe a tooth, which just means I need to perfect my evasive action skilz.

But you cheer at sporting events, don't you?

Don't normally go to sporting events. I find most sports pretty pointless. When I do, I give the occasional Yay, or even an enthusiastic Yes! when I'm feeling giddy.

what method works on you when an instructor needs you animated, vigourous, since setting an example isn't it?

Intellectual engagement. If my mind isn't interested first, all the physical enthusiasm in the world isn't going to do any good. If I'm there, I'm generally interested, so I don't need jump-started.

Intellectual engagement.

Even if it's not an intellectual pursuit? That's why I'm thinking that something whose point is short-circuiting past the intellect is half the point wouldn't be your cup of tea.

Or does an overarching intellectual interest suffice to get you to throw your brain out the window and work on reflexes.

Someone else yelling at me can have only the effect I allow it to. So what am I expecting?

That's a very interesting question.

In my life, yelling has generally meant violence is coming. Yelling with profanity has meant violence is here. Neither are conducive states for learning for me. I'll react, and I may even react in a desired fashion, but I probably won't retain anything. I have and will push myself past my limitations, usually with an understanding of the goal and encouragement.

This is not to say I wouldn't enjoy Krav or the teaching method, not having seen it in action. I probably would.

Or does an overarching intellectual interest suffice to get you to throw your brain out the window and work on reflexes.

Very rarely. I only work solely on reflexes in emergencies. I don't like bypassing my brain. I can do it, but it's rare.

I enjoy other people's enthusiasm. I love watching other people getting giddily excited over things. I have even been known to crack a smile and express enthusiasm of my own. My base state, however, is detached and analytic.

I wish they offered Krav here. I'm not sure how I feel about people yelling at me, I can't really remember a time a non argument time I've been yelled at but I'm coming up blank. Maybe some time in middle school gym. Well, I've been at a work out where the instructor has to yell to be heard, but that's different.

Also, I yell at football games. I know those guys can't hear me yelling their names or cursing the other team or anything but it makes me feel good and I know that the noise helps them. I've heard several after game interviews where the players have talked about what a difference it makes when the fans are behind them rather than being quiet. I love walking away from a game with my head aching, barely able to talk from screaming so much.

I yell at the tv screen too during games.

I never minded yelling in karate, because it was focused yelling--things like counting and reminders to keep low, keep the elbow back and square the shoulders. I can work much harder under those conditions than I do on my own. On the other hand, I really dislike the aerobics instructors who try to jolly you into yelling "good morning" loudly or smiling. It's a good thing aerobics never gives you the opportunity to hit the instructor.