Mal: Take your people and go. Captain: You would have done the same. Mal: We can already see I haven't.

'Out Of Gas'


Spike's Bitches 22: You've got Angel breath  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Connie Neil - Feb 11, 2005 5:40:42 am PST #524 of 10001
brillig

The book I mentioned yesterday, Same Sex Unions in PreModern Europe, is a fascinating read. The first chapter, "The Vocabulary of Love and Marriage," is a little frustrating, though. He's trying to explain the differences in meaning between Greek terms and modern terms, and some sort of familiarity with non-English things is pretty necessary. He's not transliterating the Greek because the transliterations have assumptions tied to them, so the text has things in the Greek alphabet scattered through.

The discussion of the words "brother" and "brotherhood" is fascinating. In older times, your brother (male with same parents) frequently shared the same household with you because wealth belonged more to the families than to individuals. "Brother" therefore held connotations of interdependency that modern times don't share. My husband is reluctant to even call his sibling "brother" because there is such a lack of mutual support and respect between them. (Yes, the author mentions the lack of a female-specific term for these sorts of relationships, but, as he says, he's not going to create terms that don't exist. He mentions a feminist colleague of his who published an accusation that he had deliberately not produced documentation of female-female relationships--although he stated clearly that he found no such documentation. He says in a footnote that he'll refrain from naming either the collegue or the journal in which she published her accusation.)

There are apparently several examples of rituals in Greek and Latin that refer to two men "becoming brothers" to each other (I haven't gotten that far yet to find out the details). Before the High Middle Ages, it was typical to use words like "brother" and "sister" to stand for husbands and wives, to indicate the mutual respect and support aspects of the relationship. Being in a marriage also assumed a degree of physical attraction, and I think the book is going to explore the logical connection between a "brother-brother" relationship and the assumption of a physical relationship.

Damned fascinating. And I'd put good money down that this book is going to disappear from the shelves of the local library as soon as it comes to the notice of Certain People.


Lilty Cash - Feb 11, 2005 5:49:45 am PST #525 of 10001
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

Bean boots laced. Furry hood on. Let the shovelling commence.


beth b - Feb 11, 2005 6:46:04 am PST #526 of 10001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I just checked - that same book is at my library - so I just put in a request for it


Scrappy - Feb 11, 2005 6:47:26 am PST #527 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Diet Dr. Pepper and Hershey's Kisses are a perfectly good breakfast, right? RIGHT?!?


Lilty Cash - Feb 11, 2005 6:49:18 am PST #528 of 10001
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

It's better than my entire pot of French Toast coffee, robin. You are just plain healthy.


-t - Feb 11, 2005 6:58:06 am PST #529 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Sure, Robin, the Diet Dr. Pepper cancels out the calories in the Kisses.

BTW, dog! Yay! Congratulations (I know you announced in natter but I'm still catching up over there) Year-old housebroken dogs are awesome!


Scrappy - Feb 11, 2005 6:58:50 am PST #530 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Thanks, t!


Deena - Feb 11, 2005 7:02:51 am PST #531 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

I just requested the book from my library, too.

Robin, yay for dog! Someday we are going to own a house with a yard and I am going to have a couple of dogs.

Timelies everyone!


Connie Neil - Feb 11, 2005 7:06:39 am PST #532 of 10001
brillig

I hate the fact that I'm too cowardly to have the book face-up on my desk, but I know my cow-orkers and would rather not have the discussions. It's not very pro-active and socially conscious, but there it is.


Lee - Feb 11, 2005 7:11:31 am PST #533 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

That depends Robin, on if you had the Kisses with caramel in them, or the plain ones.