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Inara ,'Serenity'


Spike's Bitches 22: You've got Angel breath  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Betsy HP - Feb 10, 2005 8:43:50 am PST #395 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Ah, I guess that does make a difference. But still.

Here's the deal. Henry VIII married his brother's widow, Katherine. The Pope had to give him a dispensation because that's within the legal bounds of consanguinity.

Henry VIII wanted out of the marriage. The Pope wouldn't annul his dispensation. Therefore if Henry assumed the power of the Pope, he could say the Pope never had the right to give him a dispensation in the first place, and thus he was never married.

There's a whole separate issue of whether Arthur slept with Katherine; if he didn't, Arthur and Katherine were never legally married, thus no consanguinity problem. Katherine said they didn't consummate the marraige.


Betsy HP - Feb 10, 2005 8:44:27 am PST #396 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

technically, the last woman standing at Charles' side by the time of the Coronation

Hee! Mistress cage-match!


Lyra Jane - Feb 10, 2005 8:45:24 am PST #397 of 10001
Up with the sun

The straightforward remarriage is forbidden I understand. British royalty seems to operate under a muddier set of rules.

Yeah --- I thought it was as straightforward as, "if he marries a divorced woman, he can't become king." Apparently not.

Henry VIII's divorce wasn't actually a divorce in modern terms.

Was there a precedent for a modern divorce then? Not just permanent separation, which I'm sure has been going on since the dawn of time, but the legal dissolution of a marriage? (I feel like I should know this, but I don't.)


Steph L. - Feb 10, 2005 8:46:49 am PST #398 of 10001
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

This discussion reminds me (I really don't care one whit about Charlie boy) -- did anyone else hear the NPR story about the monarch of Japan? Currently the only heir to the throne is a 3-year-old girl, Princess Aiko, the Crown Prince's daughter. A male heir has not been born since 1965. The Crown Prince's wife is 41, and had a hard time conceiving Aiko, so it seems unlikely that she'll have any more children.

The Crown Prince has one younger brother, who also only has daughters.

So a Japanese government panel has started debating whether women could take the throne. And apparently time is of the essence, because traditionally at age 3 the heir begins the regime of training and education required to be the monarch.

There's a very conservative faction who is violently opposed* to changing Japanese law to allow a woman to take the throne as Empress, but most Japanese people favor it. *(Violently opposed to the point that they're advocating the Crown Prince adopt a male from some far-removed branch of the royal family, rather than allow a woman to be monarch.)

I'm inexplicably fascinated by all this.


Betsy HP - Feb 10, 2005 8:47:27 am PST #399 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Nope. George IV couldn't STAND his wife Caroline, and went to a trial in the House of Lords on the grounds of her adultery (no question, she was a big ol' cheat), and they still wouldn't give him a divorce. Which is why Queen Victoria wound up succeeding him; George IV couldn't have any more heirs while his wife was alive.

That's the closest I can think of in modern times.


Betsy HP - Feb 10, 2005 8:48:08 am PST #400 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I'm inexplicably fascinated by all this.

Oh, me, too. (As if you couldn't guess.)


Betsy HP - Feb 10, 2005 8:50:14 am PST #401 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Princess AIko in her car seat.. So cute. Even royalty are not immune to the laws of physics. Diana, I'm a-lookin' at you.


vw bug - Feb 10, 2005 8:52:24 am PST #402 of 10001
Mostly lurking...

I have good news!

I don't have to see my shrink for four weeks. I have NEVER gone four weeks between visits since I started seeing him over two years ago. Also, when I see him next, we're going to set up a visit with me, him, and my therapist to talk about whether we've gone as far as we can psychopharm-wise. I see this as a really positive step.


sj - Feb 10, 2005 8:54:06 am PST #403 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Yay, vw!!!


Sean K - Feb 10, 2005 8:54:30 am PST #404 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I'm inexplicably fascinated by all this.

I've always found Japanese culture to be endlessly fascinating.