Nutty - did you watch last night's episode of VM? It was revealed that Duncan has "type 4"(?) epilepsy which is apparently a more violent variety. There was also a flashback where VM overheard Bishop and Knight talking in the bathroom about how Duncan had had some sort of freaky violent episode.

Oh, my God. That ending killed me. I mean, OK, dramatically interesting, yada yada, but I don't know if I can take so much heartache when I'm supposed to be watching the show for entertainment.

I think that the reason why this killed me is that I can totally see myself in that situation -- falling for a long time friend, having a great relationship, managing to fuck it up in some way (my mother may or may not be involved), pushing too hard when he needs some time (oh boy, can I see myself doing that), asking for help, then regretting it. Yeah, that's me. Except I've never seen The Way We Were.

Johnny's death could be addressed.

It does happen, though, Nutty. I did a show once with a guy who tried to kill his mother during an epileptic fit. He and I worked closely together on a show that lasted almost six months all told, and some relatives of mine were close to his family and knew a lot of the family history and it's safe to say that this is NEVER, EVER something he would have done outside of a seizure. Non-seizure-y, he's a gentle affectionate puppydog of a man who is very loving toward and protective of his family (and not in a show-offy SNAGgy "Behold my marvelous sensitivity!" way, either; just because it's who he is). Seizure-y, he is someone else.

Admittedly it's rare and extreme, but Jon's theory, sadly, isn't that implausible.

Vortex, can you vague/spoilerfont that up a bit more?

I'm pretty sure we crossed the line last night, but I still need to go back and clean up.

Jon, it's a good theory.

Jon, I didn't see all of it. Still, I feel it my duty to be skeptical.

I find GG mysterious and baffling in its ongoing story lines. From the outsider standpoint, it feels like the same people have been minutiae-ing their relationships to death for years.

I used to live really close the Ruskin HS.

When?

Thanks for that info, JZ, scary and sad though it is. It's good to know that the science on VM isn't coming out of the writers' collective asses.

GG: Lorelai would be a lot better off if she'd thought of Oz's "I'm sorry you're having a hard time with this" line rather than The Way We Were (which I haven't seen, so that whole long explanation did very little for me). Woman needs to stop talking occasionally and listen.