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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Noumenon - Feb 11, 2005 7:10:35 am PST #6231 of 10002
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti

Did the third world disappear overnight? It's not unique, it's not American. It's just unfortunate.

Do third world countries have enough jobs for people to have three? My imagination of the person working 100 hours a week in other countries is a) the Ukrainian working 50 hours at a technological job and driving back to the village to raise cabbages b) the Chinese person locked in a single factory not being paid for overtime, or c) African water sellers and truck drivers who work one job dawn to dusk, with a lot of waiting around. With all the unemployment, I just imagine getting a factory job plus a short-order cook job plus a maid job to be like winning the lottery three times instead of pretty easy like it is here.


-t - Feb 11, 2005 7:12:02 am PST #6232 of 10002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I don't have sick leave, and I don't see 12 days of menstrual leave being enormously helpful, but I guess if it's better than nothing.


lori - Feb 11, 2005 7:12:26 am PST #6233 of 10002

Fred, we have a cap of 960 on accrued sick hours. Almost the same accrual rate as you, though (8 hrs/month). It is scary how much doesn't get used.

21 days vacation/year (after 10 years) and a yearly personal day. Max 320. Those I burn through.


§ ita § - Feb 11, 2005 7:18:53 am PST #6234 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I just imagine getting a factory job plus a short-order cook job plus a maid job to be like winning the lottery three times

If wearing yourself into the ground can be called lottery-winning, sure.

Trust me. Having to do (and being able to try) a little bit of this, some of that, and whatever else comes along to feed your kids is not a first world problem/privilege. I'm stunned by the viewpoint that it could be. So she sells fruit in the market, cleans floors, and takes in laundry. This is your lottery winner? He's a gardener, a manual labourer for hire, and he paints houses when he gets a chance. He also tries to sell pirated crap from the US. There is no welfare or medicaid or pension or other form of government money to help the family keep their heads above water.

Yay, lottery.


lori - Feb 11, 2005 7:21:30 am PST #6235 of 10002

More on the star of Bride and Prejudice.


Fiona - Feb 11, 2005 7:27:59 am PST #6236 of 10002

Gosh, you all have to work so hard.

Admittedly Germany is one of the most generous countries, but we get 30 days paid vacation a year, plus national holidays (about 12). There are no such things as sick or personal days. If the doctor says that you are ill and fills in the appropriate form, you get that time off work, paid, period.

Cue debate about who pays for the social security system in European countries....


Gudanov - Feb 11, 2005 7:29:44 am PST #6237 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

Cue debate about who pays for the social security system in European countries....

Plenty of social security debate here.


§ ita § - Feb 11, 2005 7:31:06 am PST #6238 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If the doctor says that you are ill and fills in the appropriate form, you get that time off work, paid, period.

If it's something that doesn't get you to a doctor, do you take a vacation day?


P.M. Marc - Feb 11, 2005 7:32:41 am PST #6239 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Fiona! I was just thinking of you. How's Benno?

I can't remember how much sick leave I had the last time I had sick leave. Not much--less than a work week's worth, I know.

One of the worst things about contracting/temping is the lack of paid leave in the event of illness or family emergency. We had to schedule my Gram's wake around my working, because I couldn't afford the time off.


Fiona - Feb 11, 2005 7:34:03 am PST #6240 of 10002

If it's something that doesn't get you to a doctor, do you take a vacation day?

If you're missing for fewer than two consecutive days, including weekends, you don't need a doctor's note. So if you're off on Wednesday with, say, menstrual issues, you can just stay home and still get paid, but if you're off Friday or Monday you do need a note. If you can't get to the doctor for longer illnesses, yes, you'll be docked vacation. Everybody goes to the doctor.