You like ships. You don't seem to be looking at the destinations. What you care about is the ships, and mine's the nicest.

Kaylee ,'Serenity'


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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Feb 02, 2005 9:00:28 am PST #3259 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Nine tsunami survivors just found


Steph L. - Feb 02, 2005 9:00:44 am PST #3260 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

My feeling on the parents who are still letting their kids hang with MJ is this: if, like in Trudy's example, your kid's Little League coach has been accused of pedophilia, I frankly feel that the parent has a much better basis for judging whether or not the allegations are true. Because a coach/teacher/clergy member is a part of your local community, in a more or less everyday way.

But the parents who are sending their kids off to Neverland Ranch -- I honestly don't think they have that kind of social, locally based community with Michael Jackson. So how would those parents really know if the allegations were true?

And, legally, of course he's innocent until proven guilty. However, particularly in a situation like this, where these parents aren't hanging out with MJ, or with people who know him well enough to vouch for him -- even though, legally, he's innocent, why would you take a chance like that with your CHILD?


Trudy Booth - Feb 02, 2005 9:02:49 am PST #3261 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Anybody else in the world who hung an infant out of a window would have lost custody so fast it made his head spin.

People say that a lot, but I don't think it's true.

Holding a baby up over a balcony is a dumb-ass thing to do to be certain, but the courts don't permanantly remove custody for one fleeting dumb-ass thing. There's parenting classes and home visits and blah de blah... but probably not if it had happened in another country.


Wolfram - Feb 02, 2005 9:04:30 am PST #3262 of 10002
Visilurking

I do know that he is an unfit parent. Point-blank. Anybody else in the world who hung an infant out of a window would have lost custody so fast it made his head spin.

Nope. Unfortunately people do a lot stupider things with their kids and retain custody. And a lot more dangerous things.


Betsy HP - Feb 02, 2005 9:06:23 am PST #3263 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

I agree, I overspoke. He probably shouldn't have lost custody for that alone.

However, anybody who would do that should not have sole responsibility for children, which by all accounts Jackson does.


Lyra Jane - Feb 02, 2005 9:12:58 am PST #3264 of 10002
Up with the sun

But what if he was a good friend? You might not give a fig what anyone has to say except your kids.

Even if I had known him for 20 years and loved and trusted him absolutely, I probably still would not let my children be alone with him. There's just no way to take back a mistake if I was wrong.

Also, I don't get the impression most of the parents of the kids he hangs out with are people he's known and socialized with for years and years. They seem to be largely local parents, often either poor or middle-class, who could easily be dazzled by his celebrity. I think Nicole Ritchie is the only child of an MJ colleague I've seen talk about being at Neverland, and a)that would be 20 years ago and b)she's a girl.


Scrappy - Feb 02, 2005 9:13:39 am PST #3265 of 10002
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Most parents I know wouldn't let their kids spend the night unchaperoned in the same room with a single adult. For any reason.


Pix - Feb 02, 2005 9:18:33 am PST #3266 of 10002
The status is NOT quo.

Why are you in places with appreciable winters, then?

If you only know how many times a day I ask myself this.

sits with Sue

cries

wonders how many more years it is going to take to logistically be able to move


Trudy Booth - Feb 02, 2005 9:20:11 am PST #3267 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Most parents I know wouldn't let their kids spend the night unchaperoned in the same room with a single adult. For any reason.

Same here. But when you see parents say, "my little girl with agonizing cancer finally gets some happiness and rest at a Neverland sleepover" (that's a paraphrase) it's another perspective.


Betsy HP - Feb 02, 2005 9:25:29 am PST #3268 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

Most parents I know wouldn't let their kids spend the night unchaperoned in the same room with a single adult.

Huh. I'd trust my brother, married or not. My husband would trust his sisters, married or not.

I certainly know there are families where you shouldn't, can't trust blood relatives. Mine isn't one of them.